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Post self-deleted by Atsuria.

I am quite confused by your message.

You take my view on this website as something that promotes inaction...Which you are completely allowed to think, however wrong it might be. But on the other hand, you clearly say that our struggle is in vain, and that, just like the spartans, we will be defeated. History does not immortalizes glory, it immortalizes winners. Your pessimistic view on the situation is justified however. Or at least I understand where you come from.

It is primordial to be lucid when analizing the balance of powers. Thinking you are too weak compared to the enemy will indeed, as you said, lead to inaction and defeatism. Thinking you are too strong compared to the enemy, will lead to an eccess of zeal, that same eccess which has driven, so many empires - Just like the Persians you cited - down. Whereas, as I tried to say, it is realistic to understand that we are outnumbered, and that this platform has changed over the years and became the democrat safe heaven that it is today, and that we indeed are less and less numerous by the year, I don't think that our struggle is in vain per-se.

To me the ultimate struggle of Fascism is to revolutionnize our entire race. This is something that is physical, unlike this website, where the power of the enemy that outnumbers us so much, simply comes from the fact that they have way more active users than we do. A website is not a battlefield, you cannot flank, form shield walls, or any of that. You do not die valiantly on a website. All you end up doing is getting ousted, and damnatio memoria-ed. Because it is all virtual. What makes NationStates a great tool for Fascism is that it is a well organized structure that allows us to share our beliefs in a civilized and well regulated manner, leaving everyone an equal voice. However, as we can all agree, NS is just a website. If we end up getting booted out of it, then we will find another.

I don't think that is going to happen however. I think at least the Fifth Empire will still be able to thrive peacefully. But my initial point was that it is a shame that other Fascist regions are getting invaded, and we cannot do anything about it. Back in the days, we had more numbers, and raids were usually opposed by the WA Security Council; this is a fact, and I do not think that it's "bad" to think about these days as better days than now. Do not mistake my nostalgia for hopelessness or cowardice. Other regions might have fallen, but we still stand, with the memories of those who were there before, at our side.

We shine as a beacon of enligthenment and thought in this ocean of darkness and primal intellect. There is no "war to be fought" but the continuation of our grand cult of reason, brilliance and devotion. They might have far greater raiding abilities than we do, but what matters is our spiritual strength; our strength in quality over quantity - Something that you are well aware of my brother(s).

We cannot be defeated as they have already lost. We are in a constant state of victory and progress while they are complascent in their ignorance and debauchery.

Atsuria and Greater-appalachia

Your words prove contradictory, brother.

You speak of arrogance being the downfall of empires, yet talk of us being incapable of defeat. This is a misnomer. Our victory is inevitable; not eternal. Were it so easy as that then there would be no struggle. We have faced defeat before and will continue to do so. Even Fascism is not invincible. Our strength comes from perseverance.

You say that history immortalizes victory, yet this is untrue.

Rommel lost.
Leonidas lost.
Mussolini lost.
Rome lost.
The Vikings lost.
The Huns lost.
The Aztec lost.
The Crusaders lost.

Not all who lose are denied immortality. Not all who fail are without glory. Remember this, brother. It is important.

Atsuria, Giovanni gentile, The cumbrian state, and Greater-appalachia

Fashmaster wrote:Your words prove contradictory, brother.

You speak of arrogance being the downfall of empires, yet talk of us being incapable of defeat.

My post - which you refer to, I think ? - was about NS in particular, althought I used real life exemple. I'm sorry if I made you think that I was referring to the situation of our ideology in real life. It was not my intent. I will add a little more to this at the end, but first...

... Because something does not exist anymore does not mean they have lost. Take the Romans : As a western European, Latin nation, both my language and culture is successor to Rome. Rome persists through our existence. I know that it is a very Latin-centric PoV, but as you will see later, in the end it is mainly a matter of point of view.

Now I cannot speak for the Vikings, the Huns and the Aztecs, as all of them are portrayed as senseless barbarians in our folklore. I will never accept the Vikings as people that were remembered for their valor, since they were nothing but mere raiders. There is no glory in plunder. Same applies to the Huns, let alone the human-sacrificing Aztecs. But that is because I come from a people that has antagonized these peoples that you are citing. Do not think that because Rommel was a general under a Fascist regime, I think highly of him. I do not.

Of course this does not apply to Mussolini. Simply because everything isn't either black, or white, and because you are far more likely to be remembered for your victories than your losses. That's a fact, not an opinion. Idolizing a person or a people just because they were known for their combat ability does not makes much sense (Or at least from my point of view.) It is the greater contribution to mankind that interests me. It's very hard to contribute to mankind if you are defeated. Mussolini is truly an exception; as he is the father of this supreme, amazing institution which brings us together, brother. Mussolini might have lost on the physical plan, but he definitely won in our hearts.

Now regarding the situation in NS, I firmly believe that we have won the debate regardless of what happened. Looking at the list of active threads, their posts, and just on other RMBs, you will see that all liberal users on this website are content with a few memes, and classic ANTIFA propaganda. They have achieved nothing, whereas we have taken full advantage of this great tool that NS is to bring enlightenment to many. We, the (True) Fascist regions of NationStates stand as this digital Agora in an ocean of shallow thoughts and mindless materialism.

isnt thinking all the non roman groups/civs were just raiders and barbarians kind of a massive meme tho?

Atsuria, The cumbrian state, Resurrected rhodesia, and Fashmaster

Resurrected rhodesia

Most Vikings were traders and mercenaries. The actual raiders were mostly limited to France and England.

The Huns were nomads and didn't really do anything any other group of nomads did.

Aside from the human sacrifice thing, the Aztecs weren't very savage IIRC. They used it mostly as a political tool to control their subjugated peoples. The Mayans did it to, but on a lesser scale. Even still the Aztecs were the most advanced Mesoamerican civilization to develop (if only because Spanish intervention sort of ended Mesoamerican civilization abruptly) continuing down a line that started with the Olmecs and was further developed by the Mayans.

Aside from the Huns, which I admittedly don't know much about, I can safely say both the Aztecs and Vikings were not the "senseless barbarians" they're often portrayed as so stereotypically. I'm sure there was more to the Huns than just raping and pillaging too. So yeah, basically memes. The idea of "savages" is mostly imperialist propaganda/memery. There aren't really any truly "savage" cultures tbh, just less advanced ones.

Atsuria, The cumbrian state, and Fashmaster

Resurrected rhodesia

I think the reason they did it so much from a religious perspective was because they, like the Romans, worshiped their God of War more than any other deity. He was their personification. So sacrificing loads of war captives was in their mind the best way to show their respect for him. I think so Romans made human sacrifices to Mars as well. It wasn't uncommon for warlike peoples to sacrifice their enemies to appease war gods.

Resurrected rhodesia

Whereas the Mayans I think put more emphasis on science and learning than warfare, so they didn't do it as often or on the same scale as a result.

Q'uran book is really amazing. Its wisdom is great... I'm reading and I dont want stop anymore. Jehovah/Allah bless you, brothers, because his wisdom is awesome.

P0rtvgal wrote:isnt thinking all the non roman groups/civs were just raiders and barbarians kind of a massive meme tho?

Someone claimed all non-Latins were barbarians ?

Resurrected rhodesia wrote:Most Vikings were traders and mercenaries. The actual raiders were mostly limited to France and England.

The Huns were nomads and didn't really do anything any other group of nomads did.

Aside from the human sacrifice thing, the Aztecs weren't very savage IIRC. They used it mostly as a political tool to control their subjugated peoples. The Mayans did it to, but on a lesser scale. Even still the Aztecs were the most advanced Mesoamerican civilization to develop (if only because Spanish intervention sort of ended Mesoamerican civilization abruptly) continuing down a line that started with the Olmecs and was further developed by the Mayans.

Aside from the Huns, which I admittedly don't know much about, I can safely say both the Aztecs and Vikings were not the "senseless barbarians" they're often portrayed as so stereotypically. I'm sure there was more to the Huns than just raping and pillaging too. So yeah, basically memes. The idea of "savages" is mostly imperialist propaganda/memery. There aren't really any truly "savage" cultures tbh, just less advanced ones.

Weren't "Vikings" the ones that specifically went on raids ?

Also the Aztecs performed human sacrifices because they thought that the sun needed fuel - blood - to rise up everyday, and if they failed to spill enough blood their people would be struck by Doomsday. Now unless you're under the age of 14 and think it's "badass XD", that's a pretty f*cking backward belief to have when Europe, meanwhile, was having its Renaissance. Now, yes they had a complex society, and architecture, but that doesn't compares to the atrocities they've commited. Aztecs would've never even reached the greatness of Rome, even if left alone. The Huns' society revolved around the principle of living through raiding. They did not produced anything themselves, they took from others to sustain their needs. That is not what a developped society is.

Aztecs Incas and Mayans were dope as hell foock the spanish all my homies hate the spanish

Atsuria and Phoenik

Brother Merther, with all due respect I have found you to be quite 'narrow-sighted'. You are allowing subjective interpretations born out of a biased standpoint from your culture to affect your understanding of history, which is most disappointing. An open mind is not always a negative thing; a closed mind is not always a positive thing. When it comes to the history of our species I encourage you to broaden your mind and views, to see the perspective of the variety of cultures that have clashed against one another over the centuries. Eurocentrism is a painfully dull and boring understanding of human civilization that neglects the vast majority of nations that have existed throughout written & unwritten history.

Never forget that to the American Indian it was the White Man that was the savage, bloodthirsty barbarian come to plunder, rape, and kill. An untrustworthy imperialist stomping upon sacred ground committing foul crimes and atrocities in the blasphemous name of tyrants and demons. Cruel men without honor seeking to destroy their very way of life.

Glory is a metaphysical currency earned through renown and prestige obtained by great achievements and grand accomplishments. It is not a monopoly of the Christian European world. It would be pure propaganda to suggest otherwise. Those who deny the glory and honor of their enemies are without glory and honor themselves.

Atsuria and The cumbrian state

M A S T E R Y
The Great Tribe


Mankind is divided into a number of demographics and classifications, chief among them being TRIBE. But what is a tribe? Backwards villages full of huts and shacks inhabited by primitive barbarians? No. The Noble Tribe is far greater than something so insignificant. The Noble Tribe is a race of folk united and defined by four common aspects: Language, Culture, Origin, and Faith.

The Language of a Tribe is the shared tongue of communication between tribesfolk; the Somali Tribe is united through it's common language in spite of the barrier that separates them in the form of the Ethiopian-Somali border. The Culture of a Tribe comprises the collective identity and tradition of the tribesfolk; though regional variations exist, the German Tribe is comprised of a common culture that is interconnected in spite of some difference. The Origin of a Tribe is the history of the tribesfolk and from where their tribe originates; this origin need not be linked to a single physical place but rather to a singular beginning, such as the American Tribe whose folk share a common origin in it's unique history of immigration. The Faith of a Tribe consists of the religious identity of the tribesfolk; the Persians were united once by their adherence to Zoroastrianism and are now united through Shi'ite Islam with both religions having had profound impacts on the Persian Tribe.

The TRIBE is the natural state of human civilization: humans united into an ethos, a race, a nation. Make no mistake that TRIBE and NATION are synonymous for they are one in the same. In our ever-constant pursuit of an ethno-nation-state it is the TRIBE; our individual, specific TRIBE that drives us. Love for our Tribe drives us to seek it united at all costs against all outside foes and influences. To achieve prosperity for our kinfolk is what we desire. There will be some who flock to our country, eager to partake in this prosperity themselves. But have they come to join our Tribe? If so then they shall be welcomed as brothers and sisters. If not then they shall be cast away for we do not want them. Any man or woman may join our Tribe, certainly. For it would be unfair of us to turn all away because they are not like us. But they must be willing to BECOME ON OF US. Only then can they be welcome among us. A Tribe must be UNITED. It does not matter if you come from another Tribe, if you wish to join ours you must become one of us. That is the way Tribes survive. That is the way they flourish.

There are some who will say that this is wrong, unfair, evil, racist, etc. These are the Libertines; the great destroyers of Tribes. They bring with them Multiculturalism to terrorize and obliterate the Tribes of the world, to muddy them until they are unrecognizable in the ignorant belief that only when all Mankind is one Tribe will there be peace, prosperity, and harmony. This is utopian nonsense and it is in fact the opposite from true. These inane attempts at "uniting all tribes" only creates an imbalance; not equality. One Tribe shall rise above the rest, and the others shall be annihilated. This is the way Rome absorbed conquered Tribes. This is the way America has assimilated immigrant Tribes. It is why the Gaulish Tribe is gone, why the Manchu Tribe nears extinction, why the Boer Tribe has become so marginalized. Tribes cannot coexist within the confines of a single country. They shall compete, consciously or otherwise, until there is only one left standing. To keep the Tribes separate is not racism. Quite the opposite, as it is what prevents racism. Keeping the Tribes divided is what keeps Mankind united.

There are some, still, who say a Tribe must be pure of blood; that it is through genes that some Tribes are better than others. This is nonsense. Race exists, both physically and metaphysically. But it is not something that can be "superior" or "inferior". There are no "Ubermensch", nor "Untermensch". The superiority of a TRIBE over other Tribes is not found in blood, it is found in the state of the Tribe's cultural identity. Those Tribes that possess a HIGH CULTURE are inherently superior to those that do not. But the state of culture is determined not by the mind or blood of a Tribe, but by it's convictions. By it's will. A Tribe that cannot find it's spirit will falter. A Tribe that becomes complacent will falter. A Tribe that is content with physical survival and physical survival alone has doomed itself to a metaphysical death. Are some Tribes superior to others? Certainly, but that is become some Tribes have found the will to endure while others have not. Some Tribes have found the strength to achieve success while others are content with simple existence. They have stagnated and will eventually fade from the naked eye if they cannot find the inspiration to lift themselves out of the proverbial gutter.

The survival of a Tribe is based on more than just mere existence. Without the spirit to achieve greatness, it will simply be until it can no longer be. See the decline of the Tribes of the West. See how they abandon their Faith, forget their Origin, cast aside their Culture, and ignore their Language. See how these once great and powerful Tribes now descend into degeneracy. This is the Libertine's doing. He has told the West that they should feel shame instead of pride. He has told them that through their pride they were racist, misogynist, xenophobic, genocidal, oppressive, and evil. He has told them that to make amends for these alleged slights against their fellow Man, they must embrace the foreign, the outside, the alien. He has told them their survival lay in egalitarianism, in multiculturalism, in globalism. Pure propaganda. It is these very things that are destroying them in fact; this need to feel shame over pride. That their countries do not belong to their Tribes, but to all Tribes.

But there is hope. The East, once, was gripped by a Red Plague that inflicted similar feelings upon the Tribes it afflicted. Some of these Tribes managed to escape this terror, such as mighty Poland, brave Hungary, and glorious Russia. They are on an upward spiral while those that could not escape, such as pitiful Cuba, psychotic China, and nightmarish North Korea continue to descend into decadence. But for those who escaped the Red Plague successfully there is a glimmer of inspiration hope for the West that they, too, can escape the plague infesting their Tribes. Decay is a state of being, and like all states of being it can be altered. Such a drastic change of course is entirely necessary in order to create a GREAT TRIBE.

Ave Infinitum Victoria!

Read factbook

Post self-deleted by The cumbrian state.

Interesting convo here with you brothers & sisters during the last week. I've read it all and given quite a few likes too, a lot of people here bringing up good points and perspectives and that is great for our community/region as a whole, maintaining a good-quality atmosphere for people to interact in a meaningful way, most of all, in a way that promotes people to be encouraged to speak within our collective's framework. It is pleasing to see that disagreements of varying sorts are also -these counter-ideas- distributed in a civil and respectful manner. All ethic/moral/obligatory considerations aside, in my view, and I think you'll agree on that, it is the sign of a discerning person with honor, not an egoistic person or someone only wishing to put other people down.

I will proceed to add my own commentary to the mix, though you'll have to excuse me if I go dig up older posts too.

Before I do that, however, as the Cancellarius I want to give a public applaud for Minister Brazika for handling the situation with Northportugalinho as smoothly & skillfully as he did in my absence. Well done! And seeing as it has been done & dusted with no afterpain whatsoever, I see no need to focus on this subject any longer. The Ban Minister Brazika felt appropriate to enact shall remain so long he deems it no-longer necessary since it was, from the look of things, a "until further notice" type of deal.

P0rtvgal, Chalybea, Phoenik, Brazika, and 3 othersThe cumbrian state, Imperial kratos, and Fashmaster

Atsuria, Merther advised me to do it also.

P0rtvgal, Atsuria, Chalybea, and Merther

One hand washes the other.

P0rtvgal

Imperial kratos

Is this region OOC fascist, or IC fascist?

Resurrected rhodesia

Imperial kratos wrote:Is this region OOC fascist, or IC fascist?

If you have to ask that question I don't think you've been paying attention...

P0rtvgal, Atsuria, Chalybea, and Fashmaster

Imperial kratos wrote:Is this region OOC fascist, or IC fascist?

"We are a serious and a proud Fascist region"

Third line of the World Factbook entry.

In other news, my country has ended its confinement so I will probably be near inactive from now on as I'll have to be back in the real world again.

Imperial kratos wrote:Is this region OOC fascist, or IC fascist?

I was under the impression it was clear to you?

Chalybea, Brazika, and Fashmaster

Post self-deleted by P0rtvgal.

Imperial kratos

Resurrected rhodesia wrote:If you have to ask that question I don't think you've been paying attention...

Merther wrote:"We are a serious and a proud Fascist region"

Third line of the World Factbook entry.

In other news, my country has ended its confinement so I will probably be near inactive from now on as I'll have to be back in the real world again.

Atsuria wrote:I was under the impression it was clear to you?

I thought it was an IC thing. A proud RP fascist region. But I was just wondering.

P0rtvgal, Atsuria, and Fashmaster

Imperial kratos wrote:I thought it was an IC thing. A proud RP fascist region. But I was just wondering.

Yup, none of us are roleplaying here. Is that your case ?

P0rtvgal, Atsuria, Chalybea, and Fashmaster

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