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Per this order, I'm happy to announce that we will soon begin preparing Concord to be opened! I look forward to seeing what success we can bring to the region, as well as the home we can create for new players!

Thug doge, 0cala, Rakeo Air Core 1, Mechanocracy, and 25 othersThe Old Man of the Mountain, Lietuva12, Svedonia, Defenders of Humanity, Anjan Kloss, Spongeland, Persepoli, Mushroom Kimgdom, Fivanor, Absolute infinity, New Zenith, Panamerica, Pifferian osterreich, Turklind, The United Arab Democracy, Kormuna, Bootyswana But Concord, Ferrist, Khamento, East of west of north of south, Chaoo, Hamolan, North ronia, Tigris Empire, and WinterAir

Post by Pee pee poo poo fart suppressed by Fort Concord.

Honeydewitopia

"Post by Pee pee poo poo fart suppressed by Fort Concord." 🤓

Welcome to Concord, Burlangia and Free eass ningaessaul!

Sir benfro arfordir, Mushroom Kimgdom, and WinterAir

Mount washington

As a Northeasterner, I had to have a nation here 😌

Mount washington wrote:As a Northeasterner, I had to have a nation here 😌

Are you anyone we know, or just a wanderer who saw the region?

Mount washington and Mushroom Kimgdom

Jl in concord

I’m JL, Quebec forces me to update frequently so I’m putting my nation here

Mount washington

Fort Concord wrote:Are you anyone we know, or just a wanderer who saw the region?

Probably not anyone you know, but I've been on NS for a while! I happened upon this region and decided to send a nation here :)

Mount washington wrote:Probably not anyone you know, but I've been on NS for a while! I happened upon this region and decided to send a nation here :)

We’re happy to have you here :)

Though I would appreciate it if you could disclose to me, at least in telegrams, who owns this nation. Sorry, I’m a stick in the mud like that.

Mount washington and Mushroom Kimgdom

Vive la Concorde libre !

Mount washington

Fort Concord wrote:We’re happy to have you here :)
Though I would appreciate it if you could disclose to me, at least in telegrams, who owns this nation. Sorry, I’m a stick in the mud like that.

Sent! :)

Good night everyone! Good to see some early progress.

Mount washington and Mushroom Kimgdom

Hey hey!
I'm working on making a piece of utility code, but while that's cooking, I have a little puzzle for anyone looking for a bit of a challenge (it's not too difficult):
nation=mechanocracy/detail=factbook/id=1721971

How might you try to hide something in a dispatch/factbook?

Fort Concord, Mount washington, and Mushroom Kimgdom

Mechanocracy wrote:Hey hey!
I'm working on making a piece of utility code, but while that's cooking, I have a little puzzle for anyone looking for a bit of a challenge (it's not too difficult):
nation=mechanocracy/detail=factbook/id=1721971
How might you try to hide something in a dispatch/factbook?

The raw code reveals all. :)

Mechanocracy, Mount washington, Mushroom Kimgdom, and Demockrazy

Fort Concord wrote:The raw code reveals all. :)

Congrats on beating the puzzle, even if I have my reservations on how you got to the solution :P

You have since been deprived of your raw code privileges, which have been consumed by lizards!
Is the revised puzzle still possible?

Fort Concord and Mount washington

Jl in concord

Mechanocracy wrote:Congrats on beating the puzzle, even if I have my reservations on how you got to the solution :P

You have since been deprived of your raw code privileges, which have been consumed by lizards!
Is the revised puzzle still possible?

Raw Code still reveals all :)

Mechanocracy, Mount washington, and Mushroom Kimgdom

In the event that the proposal written by Miravana, Condemn Lily, comes to vote, I would urge residents to also vote for it. That's a likely eventuality considering that the rest of the proposals are either rehashing a tired old joke, or are marked as illegal by the WA's Secretariat.

Lily's developments in the raiding space have directly led to some of the greatest successes of the raider sphere, and indirectly through their sheer speed, have been a force to reckon with on the battlefield for defenders, who give their (sometimes record-shattering) best to battle back the blight. I personally believe that the region Lily could deserve a commendation for some its actions, but they quite specifically want to have a "condemnation", and there's no reason to deny such a record-breaking organization that honor.

Also Mira is a cool metal fox and they wrote it with the friendly neighborhood Walrus of NS. Very much secondary to serious debate of the merits of the proposal, but it does bear mentioning.

Mechanocracy wrote:In the event that the proposal written by Miravana, Condemn Lily, comes to vote, I would urge residents to also vote for it. That's a likely eventuality considering that the rest of the proposals are either rehashing a tired old joke, or are marked as illegal by the WA's Secretariat.

Lily's developments in the raiding space have directly led to some of the greatest successes of the raider sphere, and indirectly through their sheer speed, have been a force to reckon with on the battlefield for defenders, who give their (sometimes record-shattering) best to battle back the blight. I personally believe that the region Lily could deserve a commendation for some its actions, but they quite specifically want to have a "condemnation", and there's no reason to deny such a record-breaking organization that honor.

Also Mira is a cool metal fox and they wrote it with the friendly neighborhood Walrus of NS. Very much secondary to serious debate of the merits of the proposal, but it does bear mentioning.

I disagree on a number of levels.

Lily is respectable in their skill, speed, and tactical ability, but there's a few problems with the proposal which have been brought up in various manners,

  • The del-tip of Mikeswill is not condemnable. I don't even mean that from a "haha agendapost" perspective. Mikeswill has a very anti-Security Council and invader-sympathizing stance, so from the perspective of the WA, the action is not something we'd want to treat as condemnable.

  • Lily does not have any particular ideology to hammer home condemnability. No Francoism, no brutally anti-native ideology, or et cetera. It's really a "we do what we feel like" vibe, and that doesn't strike me as high on the SC's list for problems to address.

It should be noted that I do not agree with all of Andure's commentary at this point, notably the part about Lily's enabling of defenders. If anything, assuming his argument to be accurate, that is in line with our interests (as it benefits the defender faction) and therefore not condemnable.

Lastly, Miravana is an enemy of the state (and has very much bent the knee to alarming elements) and as such I have no interest supporting any of his projects. Sorry, Minskiev, as we do like you over here, but I have too many other issues with this.

Edit: Furthermore, given Miravana’s unapologetic complacency in the abuse of the SC for filibustering during the battle for TMC back in February, I have no desire to treat him as a good faith and equal level participant in the international security body.

Mechanocracy, Mount washington, and Mushroom Kimgdom

Fort Concord wrote:I disagree on a number of levels.

Lily is respectable in their skill, speed, and tactical ability, but there's a few problems with the proposal which have been brought up in various manners,

  • The del-tip of Mikeswill is not condemnable. I don't even mean that from a "haha agendapost" perspective. Mikeswill has a very anti-Security Council and invader-sympathizing stance, so from the perspective of the WA, the action is not something we'd want to treat as condemnable.

  • Lily does not have any particular ideology to hammer home condemnability. No Francoism, no brutally anti-native ideology, or et cetera. It's really a "we do what we feel like" vibe, and that doesn't strike me as high on the SC's list for problems to address.

It should be noted that I do not agree with all of Andure's commentary at this point, notably the part about Lily's enabling of defenders. If anything, assuming his argument to be accurate, that is in line with our interests (as it benefits the defender faction) and therefore not condemnable.

Lastly, Miravana is an enemy of the state (and has very much bent the knee to alarming elements) and as such I have no interest supporting any of his projects. Sorry, Minskiev, as we do like you over here, but I have too many other issues with this.

Edit: Furthermore, given Miravana’s unapologetic complacency in the abuse of the SC for filibustering during the battle for TMC back in February, I have no desire to treat him as a good faith and equal level participant in the international security body.

I disagree on a number of levels as well:

The three major points that I'm taking from your post are this:

  • Lily's actions as laid out in the proposal are things that we'd like to see as non-condemnable, those actions being specifically referenced here being the delegate tip of Mikeswell, and that, as Andurse noted, indirect benefits to defender faction gained through experience on the field fighting them.

  • Lily's lack of ideology means as an organization, it shouldn't be condemned because it doesn't have a driver behind its actions to address.

  • Miravana, the author of the proposal, does not respect the SC.

While people have put forward the concept of a Lily commendation in jest, no such writing has ever made it to a public draft to my knowledge. So why is that? It's generally recognized that raider-oriented organizations mostly view condemnations by the SC as a badge of honor, or as black commendations. This is a view that has been noted by our own government for some time, mostly in our forum statements. For instance, your own post:

Quebecshire wrote:... most raider condemns are rather thinly veiled commendations, seeking to congratulate raiders for contributions to the world that are rather a net negative. If you properly read Delegate Creeperopolis' statement (which I doubt you did), you would understand that he avoided saying we would oppose all condemnations, as it is possible for some to be more genuine than the typical ones. The League's WAD serves to vote our goals in the WA, which primarily means voting for goals in line with our military - that being hardline defender and opposed to granting political capital to raiders. ...

Context: The post above was made in response to another player on the forums, I snipped portions from the quote that were extranious to the points I wished to make while hopefully leaving it still coherent, you can find the original post here.

If the actions of Lily are commendable, denying them the (dis)honor which they seek seems more like punishment that encouragement. If there'll be no commendation of notoriety, who will topple the Mikeswell's of the world, knowing their accomplishments will go unacknowledged?

While I was looking into this, I found a portion of Creeperopolis's announcement fascinating.

Creeperopolis wrote:First, to define a notable policy in the Security Council, The League will not support the condemnations of raiders, as raiders often tend to seek out such condemnations as “black commendations.” To not give the raiders such recognition, The League will therefore vote against condemnations of raiders in the majority of cases.

Context: The post above was made as part of a larger statement, I added bolding for a point I mean to address, you can find the original post here.

First off: Is Lily raider organization? Spiritually, obviously. Lily is defined by a kind of living chaos, and when other regions are subjected to it, it is using a raider banner- Although factually? It was quite the discussion whether or not the capital-I Independents could be considered truly independent in earlier times due to their constant furthering of raiderdom and next to no cooperation with defenders. They may have been spiritually independent, but had through the politics of the day been entirely bound by the raider menace.

The same cannot be said for Lily. They have a truly extensive list of successful raids, but have made many an appearance at update in Libcord. Over 280, to be precise. However- This could be a moot point. Miravana's proposal names Lily as a raider organization with "tendencies for evil". But I would argue that giving more political capital to an organization that has a non-political, non-ideological reality (which is highly political in this day and age as long as the cult of unity persists), is in defenderdom's, the SC's, and in the game in general's best interest.

I respect the region's prior stance on black commendations, as well as those who endorse me and may not like the bill, and as such won't vote for it- But it's well written regardless of the respect (or lack thereof) that its author has given for the SC. The delegates and people will decide if the proposal's merits outweigh that when it passes quorum. In the meanwhile, it might be worth having a think about what condemnations are even meant for if not to reward those who are commendable but seek infamy rather than fame.
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I accidentally hit shift and enter at the same time and posted this before it was done. Here's a copy of my post prior to any of my revisions/expansions, to show that I do not care to despoil/destroy my own post's history.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220620203956/https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=47920231
Apologies for the carelessness, but back to it.
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I started writing this before the kerfuffle in the IRC server, and it should be clear that in my mind, detached from the "respecting the SC" argument surround the primary author, I truly think that Condemn Lily is the best a "black commendation" can strive to be. But the charges that Quebec is changing the goalposts is itself ridiculous- Going to bat for policies set up in October of 2021, or in the case of respect for the SC, even earlier, can hardly be considered a reversal of standing. The adage 'vaguely gestures at imagined hypocrisy' is quite apt here.

Post self-deleted by Athlantea.

Hello all.

I believe it's known who I am at this point.

Boston Castle wrote:Hello all.

I believe it's known who I am at this point.

Just maybe :)

Mount washington

hello!

Fort Concord and Mount washington

New Fernia wrote:hello!

Hi! Lovely flag you've got there!

New Fernia and Demockrazy

Mechanocracy wrote:Hi! Lovely flag you've got there!

Thanks!

Mount washington and New Zenith

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