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Message transmitted from the King's office
Dictators, Monarchs and fellow rulers of the CCD. I implore you all today to vote against IS#15, as such a motion is not only an unneeded waste of resources for wealthier nations such as myself, but also a very unneeded intrusion into our foreign affairs.

Why should we be responsible for protecting the weak and needy? If a feeble nation cannot stand on it's own legs then it should turn to third party alliances such as the Bankers Bloc.

For the sake of everyones time and money, vote against IS#15,

Hail the Confederation!

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Russian states of eurasia wrote:Snip

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They may be apart of the same region such as I, but that doesnt mean that my nation nor any nation should pat them on the back and help them for free.

Everything has a price no matter what it is, if they need assistance in their petty squabbles then pay for the reinforcements.

Hail the Confederation!

Hellslayer, Feuraxia, The Yeetusa, and Pantheran east indies

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Kleptocratic maniacs

Russian states of eurasia wrote:Maybe if they need to be defended, they must give some sort of payment, whether it be money, or something else.

Hail the Confederation

That could be arranged. We could also have nations pay the cost of deployment if it turns out they used the CDF illegitimately, kind of like ambulances.

Hail the Confederation

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The Imperial Senate,

I am authorised to inform this assembly that the Shadow Cult will be voting against IS#15, as no provisions have been made to exempt the Shadow Cult from the specified fiscal obligations.

For years, Jocospor has borne the financial and administrative expense of regional forces. IS#15 would see a continuation of this most unjust trend. More egregiously, however, IS#15 disrespects the authority vested in the Emperor, as supreme majesty of this Confederation, in asking His people to pay taxes for the security of other lesser nations - nations which the Shadow Cult already provides security to by way of this very Confederation.

I cannot, in all good conscience, support legislation which renders the Shadow Cult as an equal entity within our most hallowed region.

The Shadow Cult is rising,

Hail the Confederation!

Varmunn Grevar
Senator to the Shadow Cult
The Shadow Cult of Jocospor

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Russian states of eurasia wrote:Snip

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See here we have our problem, I would have no such qualms with IS#15 if the contribution of my men and money were 'optional', CDF can rely on the kind hearts of the suckers that choose to donate whatever they like to protect the weaker, feeble nations of this region.

However, as of right now, IS#15 states the contribution of resources be mandatory in order to maintain the CDF.

Hail the Confederation!

The Dixie Confederate Union, Feuraxia, Pantheran east indies, and The great chiss ascendancy

I am with the Shadow Cult and New England INC on this. If it was voluntary, I’d be all in. But it’s a mandate to pay, and I’m not a charity for handing out the billions I make. I’m against IS #15, and nothing can change my mind on that.

Hail the Confederation!

Aeioux, West Heisen, Feuraxia, New England INC, and 3 othersThe Yeetusa, Pantheran east indies, and The great chiss ascendancy

Kleptocratic maniacs

Jocospor wrote:The Imperial Senate,

I am authorised to inform this assembly that the Shadow Cult will be voting against IS#15, as no provisions have been made to exempt the Shadow Cult from the specified fiscal obligations.

For years, Jocospor has borne the financial and administrative expense of regional forces. IS#15 would see a continuation of this most unjust trend. More egregiously, however, IS#15 disrespects the authority vested in the Emperor, as supreme majesty of this Confederation, in asking His people to pay taxes for the security of other lesser nations - nations which the Shadow Cult already provides security to by way of this very Confederation.

I cannot, in all good conscience, support legislation which renders the Shadow Cult as an equal entity within our most hallowed region.

The Shadow Cult is rising,

Hail the Confederation!

Varmunn Grevar
Senator to the Shadow Cult
The Shadow Cult of Jocospor

Our sincere apologies to the Shadow Cult, this was a severe oversight on our part. We assumed that the Imperial Council was already not subject to legislation of the Imperial Senate. The issue has been addressed, the mistake has been corrected. Those responsible will be disciplined.
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Office of the Royal Chief of Staff, Kleptocratic maniacs
Hail the Confederation

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Philippine marxist government

Jocospor! The eternally right!

Hail the Confederation!

The great chiss ascendancy

I feel that the government has handled the bringing in of this new regulation somewhat poorly. They have neglected to respond to several of the questions people have had about the Confederation Defence Force Act 2020, such as how new nations are dealt with, as contributing such an amount can severely weaken a military force already out-matched by the majority of other nations. Furthermore, as mentioned by Jocospor, they should allow some nations to be exempt, either due to ranking, or political ideology, such as pacifism or another reason entirely. Although I inherently agree with the act, I can not agree with the way they have gone about it. Although Aeioux gives somewhat of an answer here:

Aeioux wrote:Having said that, yes, young nations obviously don't have to provide as much - and that's the intention, the stronger members of the Confederation, like ourselves, must support and protect the...less military developed. I wouldn't be surprised if the Department of Defence makes an exception for newcomers and exempts them from the mandatory contribution.

I hope that this can be added into law and amended, rather than leaving up to the Ministry of Defence to deal with this.
However I can appreciate that this act will make wars more fluid and fair, which I applaud. I would vote for this act, if this change was addressed. I hope you take my point into further consideration.

Lord Demon Jax Arcanic,
Senator and Leader and Founder of the United Guardian Party

Ave Societatem Adscitis!
Hail the Confederation!

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Kleptocratic maniacs

Hellslayer wrote:I feel that the government has handled the bringing in of this new regulation somewhat poorly. They have neglected to respond to several of the questions people have had about the Confederation Defence Force Act 2020, such as how new nations are dealt with, as contributing such an amount can severely weaken a military force already out-matched by the majority of other nations. Although I inherently agree with the act, I can not agree with the way they have gone about it. Although Aeioux gives somewhat of an answer here:

I hope that this can be added into law and amended, rather than leaving up to the Ministry of Defence to deal with this.
However I can appreciate that this act will make wars more fluid and fair, which I applaud. I would vote for this act, if this change was addressed. I hope you take my point into further consideration.

Lord Demon Jax Arcanic,
Senator and Leader and Founder of the United Guardian Party

Ave Societatem Adscitis!
Hail the Confederation!

With all due respect to the Senator from Hellslayer, this seems like an incredibly minor issue over which to vote against an entire act, not to mention, I might add, the largest and most complex act ever brought to the floor of the Senate. That being said, your concern is taken under advisement.
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Senator Sir Harry Brenfort, Kleptocratic maniacs

Hail the Confederation

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Kleptocratic maniacs wrote:With all due respect to the Senator from Hellslayer, this seems like an incredibly minor issue over which to vote against an entire act, not to mention, I might add, the largest and most complex act ever brought to the floor of the Senate. That being said, your concern is taken under advisement.
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Senator Sir Harry Brenfort, Kleptocratic maniacs

Hail the Confederation

Thank you! I agree that it is indeed a minor point, and the Act has covered the majority of things. However I believe that it wouldn't take much to patch this out of the Act, and I would then definitely vote for the act.
Thank you,

Lord Demon Jax Arcanic, Leader and Founder of the United Guardian Party
Ave Societatem Adscitis!
Hail the Confederation!

Aeioux, New England INC, Russian states of eurasia, and The great chiss ascendancy

Well, I haven't seen the Senate polarised like this in a while; it's always good to see.

The Confederation Defence Force Act 2020 seems to be a hot topic, so I will remind all that while you are in these chambers, you must remain civil and must remain peaceful. There is no point turning a debate or a discussion into an argument.

In regards to my amendment of 'the Senate's constitution,' I have started my plan for it, and I should have the motion to be ready for approval by the end of this week. In this motion, I will introduce things that are new to the region. I am also going to expand or amend some major documents of the region, as I have noticed that some legislation is missing some key points. I am doing this to expand the Office of Vice-President so it can have the role it should have in the Imperial Senate.

Hail the Confederation!

The Hon. Dame Anastasia Clarke HCS
Vice-President of the Imperial Senate
The Crew of HMS NHS

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Kleptocratic maniacs

Hellslayer wrote:Thank you! I agree that it is indeed a minor point, and the Act has covered the majority of things. However I believe that it wouldn't take much to patch this out of the Act, and I would then definitely vote for the act.
Thank you,

Lord Demon Jax Arcanic, Leader and Founder of the United Guardian Party
Ave Societatem Adscitis!
Hail the Confederation!

The act has been amended according to your request. We hope to see you change your vote.
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Office of the Imperial Senator, Kleptocratic maniacs

Hail the Confederation

Hellslayer, Aeioux, The Yeetusa, The destroyers of christianity, and 1 otherThe great chiss ascendancy

Kleptocratic maniacs wrote:The act has been amended according to your request. We hope to see you change your vote.
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Office of the Imperial Senator, Kleptocratic maniacs

Hail the Confederation

Thank you. I will change my vote accordingly.

Lord Demon Jax Arcanic, Leader and Founder of the United Guardian Party
Ave Societatem Adscitis!
Hail the Confederation!

Aeioux, The Yeetusa, Russian states of eurasia, The destroyers of christianity, and 1 otherThe great chiss ascendancy

Philippine marxist government

NP, No Power

Hail the Confederation

Upon further review of the CDFA 2020, there is some issues that I wish to address.

- I believe that this should be a voluntary act rather than a mandatory call to service. I believe that every nation should have their right to support a regional defense force by their means (I.E. Financial, logistical, organic, etc.) Also, speaking from experience, a voluntary force is more versatile than a mandatory force. I'd rather have a nation with 120 men with a set of balls than have a nation with millions of men but too coward to even support THEIR own peers in this region. Its disgusting and pathetic on their part, but its good to see there's some nations in here that still got some heart.
- Modernization of our forces: Let's not get so into the whole "I have 50 million Drones/droids on stand by" nonsense. If anything we should target for organic personnel and focus on gathering supplies and assets based on what can be obtain in 2020.
- We are not in a time of war, we're just creating a force in readiness. One nation can support our mission by sending a task force of 300 personnel, one nation with an amphibious attack group of three ships, one nation with a squadron of 12 fighter jets, etc. We shouldn't get so invested with nations pulling in 40,000 personnel. From experience you do a lot more with less. We can rotate this small force to train our smaller/developing nations should they choose to host and instead of developing bases in other regions/nations, we'll have a detachment of our Regional Defense personnel   stationed on a host region/nation's base.

These are just some of they things I've noticed that could be expanded on or considered. I'm sticking to my vote in support of the act.
Also, to those nations in here that care more about your wealth instead of your own peers, you joined this region to be something more than just an independent nation. We look out for our own and we are loyal to only our own. So if you have a problem of supporting our smaller nations WITHIN OUR REGION, with all due respect please feel free to drop those so called "balls" off in the trash before you get the hell out of this region. We used to have that one team, one fight mentality. No we're playing with shadow puppets or whatever it is that you guys do.

Hail the Confederation

Hellslayer, Aeioux, West Heisen, Feuraxia, and 4 othersNew England INC, Russian states of eurasia, Hms nhs, and The empire of athens

The empire of athens

New Sparta Ascendancy wrote:Upon further review of the CDFA 2020, there is some issues that I wish to address.

- I believe that this should be a voluntary act rather than a mandatory call to service. I believe that every nation should have their right to support a regional defense force by their means (I.E. Financial, logistical, organic, etc.) Also, speaking from experience, a voluntary force is more versatile than a mandatory force. I'd rather have a nation with 120 men with a set of balls than have a nation with millions of men but too coward to even support THEIR own peers in this region. Its disgusting and pathetic on their part, but its good to see there's some nations in here that still got some heart.
- Modernization of our forces: Let's not get so into the whole "I have 50 million Drones/droids on stand by" nonsense. If anything we should target for organic personnel and focus on gathering supplies and assets based on what can be obtain in 2020.
- We are not in a time of war, we're just creating a force in readiness. One nation can support our mission by sending a task force of 300 personnel, one nation with an amphibious attack group of three ships, one nation with a squadron of 12 fighter jets, etc. We shouldn't get so invested with nations pulling in 40,000 personnel. From experience you do a lot more with less. We can rotate this small force to train our smaller/developing nations should they choose to host and instead of developing bases in other regions/nations, we'll have a detachment of our Regional Defense personnel   stationed on a host region/nation's base.

These are just some of they things I've noticed that could be expanded on or considered. I'm sticking to my vote in support of the act.
Also, to those nations in here that care more about your wealth instead of your own peers, you joined this region to be something more than just an independent nation. We look out for our own and we are loyal to only our own. So if you have a problem of supporting our smaller nations WITHIN OUR REGION, with all due respect please feel free to drop those so called "balls" off in the trash before you get the hell out of this region. We used to have that one team, one fight mentality. No we're playing with shadow puppets or whatever it is that you guys do.

Hail the Confederation

I get that as well.
In my older nation, and this one, to run from battle or not even take basic military training is a stain on your honor and frankly dishonorable.
Any man not willing to defend his or her ally has no balls to speak of and should just cower at their own unmanly whimpery.
Nations like me and you are respectable though.
Hail the Confederation!

Philippine marxist government

NP, Whats the move?

Hail the Confederation!

Confederation state broadcasting

Read all about it! Read all about it!

Imperial Senate Building opens

by Confederation state broadcasting



THE CONFEDERATION BULLET
an imprint of Confederation of Corrupt Dictators
"All the gos' - and fast!"


15th September, 2020.
Published from Confedereichstag II, 1 Emperor Avenue, 3926, Vocryae, Jocospor

Imperial Senate Building opens

VOCRYAE: There has been an eruption of regional pride throughout the Confederation following the unveiling of the new Imperial Senate Building (ISB) in Vocryae, Jocospor.

Disguised as an ongoing commercial project that began last year, the ISB was originally conceived as the Civil Congress Building by Jocospite architect Cammer Shang'in. Its designs were altered following the Congress's dissolution earlier in the year.

The ISB was opened by High-Direktor Doris Kohn before a crowd of thousands.

"A new Senate needs a new building," declared High-Direktor Kohn.

Since its formation in February 2020, the Imperial Senate has been housed within Confedereichstag II, the central capital building of the Confederation.

"The Confedereichstag II facilities are no longer appropriate," said High-Direktor Kohn.

"We are also aware that the Imperial Senate is an assembly of independent conscience to the Imperial Council and its Ministries. As such, a separate institution further displays the Confederation's commitment to unhindered, open government. My congratulations to Mr Shang'in and his team, who have created nothing short of a masterpiece."

The ISB joins Confedereichstag II and the Imperial Palace in Vocryae as one of the Confederation's grandest buildings. Its central room is the House of the Senate, a rotunda of monumental proportions with a seating capacity of 1,394. The ISB also contains 387 apartments. Regional senators will call their allocated quarters home while they remain active representatives to the Senate.

The Cabinet offices are also housed within the ISB. The President's grand suite overlooks Emperor Avenue, while the Vice-President has views towards the Park of Heroes.

A central entrance atrium, the Hall of Law, is also notable. Marble columns punctuate the walls, and the mosaic ceramic floor tiles depict possibly the largest practical map of Jocospor and her surrounding Confederation nations, including ShrewLlamaLand, Valerox, and several others.

A staff of approximately 3,400 clerks, secretaries, librarians, cooks, servants, and even soldiers will service the ISB. This military component is the 49th Imperial Legion "Blueguard", a personal gift from the Shadow Emperor himself.

"His Supreme Majesty is very pleased with this new complex," said High-Direktor Kohn, "and looks forward to the Senate's increased prosperity in return."

It is expected that the Imperial Senate will gradually transition from Confedereichstag II into the ISB over the next week, but not before the conclusion of IS#15, which has generated some tension amongst senatorial factions. The vote will be called in 28 hours.


This special correspondence is brought to you by the Imperial Offices and Confederation state broadcasting. Enquiries should be sent to Confederation state broadcasting.

Authorised by the Imperial Palace, Jocospor. Copyright 2020.

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Kleptocratic maniacs

New Sparta Ascendancy wrote: Upon further review of the CDFA 2020, there is some issues that I wish to address.

- I believe that this should be a voluntary act rather than a mandatory call to service. I believe that every nation should have their right to support a regional defense force by their means (I.E. Financial, logistical, organic, etc.) Also, speaking from experience, a voluntary force is more versatile than a mandatory force. I'd rather have a nation with 120 men with a set of balls than have a nation with millions of men but too coward to even support THEIR own peers in this region. Its disgusting and pathetic on their part, but its good to see there's some nations in here that still got some heart.

The troop levies are mandatory on a national level. How each nation chooses to fulfill their quota is entirely up to them. They can allow people to join voluntarily if they wish. As long as the final number is equal to 2% of their military, it doesn’t matter. After that, the DoD takes over training, and it’s their responsibility to turn out an effective fighting force. They will be quite well funded, so they should be able to manage.

As for the voluntary vs mandatory in general, you yourself noted that a lot of nations would be reluctant to support the CDF. The CDF shouldn’t have to go door to door begging for handouts in order to survive. What kind of military would that be?

New Sparta Ascendancy wrote: - Modernization of our forces: Let's not get so into the whole "I have 50 million Drones/droids on stand by" nonsense. If anything we should target for organic personnel and focus on gathering supplies and assets based on what can be obtain in 2020.

First of all, drones/robots are already used in modern militaries, and the time where they will be able to participate more directly in combat is not far off, so I don’t see it as entirely unreasonable.

Second, there are nations in the Confederation who identify as being entirely or mostly made up of robots or AI, and this is more fair to them.

Also, the cost of acquiring and maintaining robots on a large scale would be cheaper than the same number of organic personnel. This is good for cutting costs or diverting funds towards purchasing new equipment and expanding capabilities.

New Sparta Ascendancy wrote: - We are not in a time of war, we're just creating a force in readiness. One nation can support our mission by sending a task force of 300 personnel, one nation with an amphibious attack group of three ships, one nation with a squadron of 12 fighter jets, etc. We shouldn't get so invested with nations pulling in 40,000 personnel. From experience you do a lot more with less. We can rotate this small force to train our smaller/developing nations should they choose to host and instead of developing bases in other regions/nations, we'll have a detachment of our Regional Defense personnel   stationed on a host region/nation's base.

The Confederation is at war as soon as someone decides to start one, which is to say it could start at any time, and it happens a lot. So it makes sense to maintain a permanent force. The point of the CDF is to make RP more interesting and expand potential scenarios.

Hail the Confederation

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Philippine marxist government

NP!!!! Whats the Moveeee!!! Deman Kalan whats the move!!!!! Supoloniaaa!!! Whats the move!!!! Are there any NP members here?

Hail the Confederation!

Philippine marxist government wrote:NP!!!! Whats the Moveeee!!! Deman Kalan whats the move!!!!! Supoloniaaa!!! Whats the move!!!! Are there any NP members here?

Hail the Confederation!

OOC: The members of the NP may be asleep due to time zones. Please be considerate of the real lives of other people.

Hail the Confederation!

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