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Krich aerd wrote:

I'd worry more about the ones in Atlanta tbh
"Do you have a source for this thing that has been happening constantly for 8 years but is now in the interest of the powers that be to act like it never happened"

And???
If you have no source or evidence then you basically made it up.

The Iron Stars wrote:

I'll bite, and I'm curious, what do you think has been happening in the Donbass since 2014 but before the modern conflict?

Russian-backed separatists were fighting Ukrainian Forces.

The Iron Stars wrote:

And why were they fighting, pray tell?

Independence?

tbh this info supression is why sometimes I gotta give up on arguing, bc ik for a fact that I saw and read X years ago and now when it comes to some subjects that content is gone and memory-holed

datahoarders save us all

btw there's other search engines that don't use google just sayan

Ocean point wrote:

So there's no evidence that this happened?

Well when Ukraine retook Bucha the mayor posted a selfie of him smiling but one day later all the "NEWS" about the Bucha massacre if the Russians did it why would the mayor be smiling not to mention some of the bodies had Russian humanitarian aid kits so why would Russia kill the people they were giving aid to

The Iron Stars wrote:

But Ocean Point, I protest, why would they want independence - and moreover why would they pick up arms? That's an extreme move, I'm sure you'd agree, and only something extreme would cause an average person to pick up arms against a brother.

Like, perhaps, promoting Ukrainian at the expense of Russian language (by banning any commercial import of Russian books - 60% of books, might I add)? Or making it a law that 75% of all TV shows should be in Ukrainian and not Russian? You could imagine how the 75% of the population in the Eastern regions would feel attacked simply because of their mother tongue suddenly making them second class citizens, correct?

Fair point, but Russia isn't stopping at Luhansk and Donetsk, they continue to push into Ukrainian territory where Ukrainians want to remain a part of Ukraine. So yes, maybe the liberation of Luhansk and Donetsk Peoples Republics might have been a good thing, but its clear that while that might have been a pretext for war, it wasn't Russia's goal, if they wanted Donetsk and Luhansk's Peoples Republic liberated they could have begun negotiating when they had occupied most of that land, but judging by how Russia has been mobilizing troops to the Ukrainian border, it doesnt seem like Russia wants to stop their invasion. Im well aware of the Donbass plight for independence and I have seen the videos of Donbassians celebrating Russia's recognition of their independence. I would also like to acknowledge the points made by P0rtvgal and Krich aerd about internet censorship these days, while I dont believe the USA censors that many things, I am aware that famous news casting organizations will often leave out news that doesnt align with their political agenda, and only the ones that aren't as credible will report on them, so I can understand why it might be hard to find evidence. Lastly, Democratic Cambodia, may I remind you of the grave found that had evidence that Ukrainian citizens were tortured, and also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre.

So lets just say that the liberation of the Donbass from the oppression of Ukraine was well-deserved and based, however Russian genocide of Ukrainians is inexcusable and tyrannical. Can we come to that conclusion?

Im happy, we've returned to the days of waking up to 40+ messages a day

Ocean point wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre.

So lets just say that the liberation of the Donbass from the oppression of Ukraine was well-deserved and based, however Russian genocide of Ukrainians is inexcusable and tyrannical. Can we come to that conclusion?

>Genocide
Wild how all those mass graves were marked by individual crosses, almost like they took time to build a rudimentary cemetery to respect the dead or something. When was the last time you saw someone on a genocide campaign exterminate an inferior people they also saw as individuals worthy of a proper burial? Almost like they dug up a wartime cemetery to invent a marketable story for their NATO allies to get all riled up over.

The Iron Stars wrote:

I find it most enjoyable that you seem to know where Russia is drawing the line. Would you not agree that they would have a more favourable outcome for Donetsk and Luhansk if they occupied west of the Danube when it comes time for negotiations (again)? For the record, there were 2 prior negotiations for DPR and LPR - 2015 being the earliest Minsk agreement that fell through because Ukraine couldnt hold their end of the bargain just as much as their slavic neighbours, if not because of (depending on which media sources you want to believe).

Russia has mobilized troops merely because it's considerably difficult to aid LPR and DPR with 200,000 men against the entire male nation of Ukraine, as Vloddy Z has achieved when the first special military operation occurred. Is it any real wonder why Russia is faltering on the battlefield when they're outnumbered 10:1 (without including DPR and LPR militias, whomst while very experienced from the past 8 years of bloodshed still lack formal military schooling, equipment, organization, etc).

I'm also not certain of Russian genocide against Ukrainians. Getting any accurate information during warfare is exceptional, but painting massacres when NATO are itching for an excuse to get involved seems deliberately stupid, and it's well documented from February and March that AZOV honour guards would happily mow down anyone they believed to be an FSB spy or who looked like they might conspire with Russian forces. It's not to say it's outside the realm of possibility that Russian soldiers and mercs would be silly enough to rape, pillage and otherwise plunder their black hearts out on campaign - just unlikely they'd be so obvious when they still have widespread support in the eastern "oblasts" of the Ukraine.

First of all, a decisive victory against Ukrainian forces is all Russia would need to get Ukraine on the diplomacy table with Russian conditions, Russia simply doesn't need to penetrate deep into Ukraine, and even if Russia wanted to have a more favourable outcome to get Donetsk and Luhansk freed, they simply could have just went straight for the capital of Kyiv instead of taking so long, I'd presume that with the local Donbassian people on their side they wouldnt have to worry too much about supplies and logistics so why arent they going ahead with the capture of Kyiv, I believe that this war is to show the West how Russia will respond to those who stand against it.

Secondly, its not very difficult, keep in mind that all the newly conscripted Ukrainian troops are also very inexperienced, most of them were recently drafted with almost no prior combat experience, now compare that to Russian Troops who are not conscripts but actual professional active duty soldiers with years of training, combat practices and more. Also, Russia spends around 65.9 Billion USD on its Armed Forces as compared to a measly 2.7 billion USD on Defense Forces spended by Ukraine, Russia had waay more armored vehicles. If Putin wanted he could take the Donbass and force Zelenskyy to negotiate. Putin is making an example out of Ukraine to show what happens to those who stand against him. Or the Russian Armed Forces is extremely incompetent, either one works.

Do supporters of Assad acknowledge that Assad gassed people who didnt support him, do supporters of John F Kennedy acknowledge the Monroe Affair? So then why should supporters of Russia acknowledge the genocide going on in Ukraine? As far as Donbass Freedom Fighters are concerned, this genocide is being fabricated by the west, and even if they do know about the genocide in Ukraine, as far as they're concerned, Ukraine is getting what it rightly deserves. Not trying to antagonize the Donbass or justify the genocide in Ukraine but im just saying, people can ignore news they believe is biased, beside, its seems Russia is still doing a pretty good job at keeping their war crimes hidden since most of the non-western world supports Russia/abstained from condemning them.

The arab vatican wrote:

Hubris. America is banking on winning nuclear chicken, like they always have. Difference being, in the 60's they were prepared to lose, so they were at least subtle most of the time. Now that a single EMP could irrevocably cripple the nation we're invincible, because we've been *so busy* at the top all this time.

Simple fact is that the American political class has been profiteering off the Ukraine for decades, their wallets can't afford the hit of Russian annexation. So they'll do whatever is within their power to manipulate the international community into inciting a no-win scenario. Because if the Bidens don't get their crack money, everyone has to take iodine with their water. It's only fair.

Pfft, Ukraine is a very tiny market for arms deal trade, compared to buyers such as Saudi Arabia and Israel, Ukraine doesn't buy much western weapons, most of the western weapons they had were actually donated by Western Countries, if the Bidens really wanted to get the ching ching they wouldn't be embargoing Russia the way they are, believe it or not but embargoing Russia isn't exactly the most beneficial economic option, Europe will be going with no heating in the winter and the economy is going to suffer because of that, and besides, the USA had little control over the war in Ukraine, it was Russia's choice and Russia will either suffer or be rewarded for this endeavor.

The arab vatican wrote:

>Genocide
Wild how all those mass graves were marked by individual crosses, almost like they took time to build a rudimentary cemetery to respect the dead or something. When was the last time you saw someone on a genocide campaign exterminate an inferior people they also saw as individuals worthy of a proper burial? Almost like they dug up a wartime cemetery to invent a marketable story for their NATO allies to get all riled up over.

Bruh, they were in LITERAL BODY BAGS WHEN THEY WERE FOUND. DId you ever bother to think that the individual crosses on the graveyard were made by the Ukrainians who discovered it as a sign of respect? There is a reason why victims of the Holocaust were given proper burials rather then being kept in the body bags in which they were killed.

The Iron Stars wrote:

Oh man he wrote this long essay for me to dissect but still spells it "Kyiv"

Maybe it's not worth arguing for if he's that far gone.

you both lost me when it took more than 2 sentences to prove a point

Geritaly wrote:

incomprehensible mumbling

He's no longer schizo, he's having a diabetic stroke as well

Ocean point wrote:

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Thing is, us Chinese benefit from this war because we can buy natural resources from Russia at a 50% discount while selling missiles to the Russian Army at a 300% markup. It's pretty easy to see who's winning (It's us).