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Brazika wrote:Are you busy, guys? 😖

drawing for a children's book illustration contest lmao

Brazika wrote:Are you busy, guys? 😖

Painting some Blood Angels RN for an upcoming wargaming contest at the end of this year. They are red variants of these guys

https://youtu.be/7jvJ7icKMtc

Hopefully one day I get to paint a Warlord Titan - it has a fuc*ing gothic cathedral as it's main body

My deepest thoughts for the Imperial Japanese soldiers who defended their homeland till the very end at Okinawa, 75 years ago. Only 7 000 out of the 100 000 Japanese soldiers fighting there were captured. 天皇陛下万歳 !!

Fashmaster

Merther wrote:My deepest thoughts for the Imperial Japanese soldiers who defended their homeland till the very end at Okinawa, 75 years ago. Only 7 000 out of the 100 000 Japanese soldiers fighting there were captured. 天皇陛下万歳 !!

The vile cretins sent their own women and children over the cliffs. I have no sympathy for such gutless vermin.

Fashmaster wrote:The vile cretins sent their own women and children over the cliffs. I have no sympathy for such gutless vermin.

sauce

Merther

Fashmaster

P0RTVGAL wrote:sauce

Apologies. I was under the impression the IJA's heinous crimes throughout the war were common knowledge. I can understand how they might not be for a European, as the Pacific Theater was largely an American endeavor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa#Civilian_losses,_suicides,_and_atrocities

Japan remains as one of the most brutal of participants in the war. It is generally accepted that the numerous atrocities committed by the Imperial Japanese Army greatly surpass the crimes committed by any other entity, including the German Wehrmacht and the Soviet Red Army. Perhaps forebodingly this trend did not even begin until the 1930s, just as the campaigns in the East were beginning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes#Crimes

I find Unit 731 in particular to be the most disturbing. There is also the infamous Rape of Nanking.

I hope the good man Ferroviaire has not forgotten about NS or else we might just need yet another new WA-minister in the upcoming weeks. It is unfortunate to see inactivity on his part considering how well and solidly he started of his career.

Atsuria wrote:I hope the good man Ferroviaire has not forgotten about NS or else we might just need yet another new WA-minister in the upcoming weeks. It is unfortunate to see inactivity on his part considering how well and solidly he started of his career.

he is busy with personal affairs and will resume full activity after the 17th July

Merther

Fashmaster wrote:Apologies. I was under the impression the IJA's heinous crimes throughout the war were common knowledge. I can understand how they might not be for a European, as the Pacific Theater was largely an American endeavor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa#Civilian_losses,_suicides,_and_atrocities

Japan remains as one of the most brutal of participants in the war. It is generally accepted that the numerous atrocities committed by the Imperial Japanese Army greatly surpass the crimes committed by any other entity, including the German Wehrmacht and the Soviet Red Army. Perhaps forebodingly this trend did not even begin until the 1930s, just as the campaigns in the East were beginning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes#Crimes

I find Unit 731 in particular to be the most disturbing. There is also the infamous Rape of Nanking.

I don't blame German soldiers for the crimes they were ordered to commit under their superior officer's leadership. We all know what happens if you refuse to follow orders. I do not condone raping, pillaging & co; and anyone who commits such crimes should be shot on the post imo, but after all it's really just History repeating itself over and over again. I dare you to point at a nation whose people have never commited war crimes, or worse.

There's no justice in war.

nation=merther/detail=factbook/id=1396382

Read this and you may or may not learn something today

Fashmaster

Merther wrote:I don't blame German soldiers for the crimes they were ordered to commit under their superior officer's leadership. We all know what happens if you refuse to follow orders. I do not condone raping, pillaging & co; and anyone who commits such crimes should be shot on the post imo, but after all it's really just History repeating itself over and over again. I dare you to point at a nation whose people have never commited war crimes, or worse.

There's no justice in war.

Brother, I don't know about you, but if my commanding officer ordered me to rape a woman or be shot for treason I would rather go to my grave a moral, dignified man than live a life as a cowardly rapist. Go before your god and ask him if he can forgive your sins under the pretense of "just following orders". See if he has mercy for you.

Obedience is good; blind obedience is not. Blind obedience has been the downfall of many, including the historical Fascist movements. We cannot commit their mistakes lest we join them in obliteration.

Merther

Fashmaster wrote:Brother, I don't know about you, but if my commanding officer ordered me to rape a woman or be shot for treason I would rather go to my grave a moral, dignified man than live a life as a cowardly rapist. Go before your god and ask him if he can forgive your sins under the pretense of "just following orders". See if he has mercy for you.

Obedience is good; blind obedience is not. Blind obedience has been the downfall of many, including the historical Fascist movements. We cannot commit their mistakes lest we join them in obliteration.

Indeed, you do not know about me.

But my God is also why I understand the weakness of the flesh. And my God will have mercy. Just as our Lord on the Cross forgave those who nailed his hands on the cold hard wood. It takes more strength to forgive and understand than it does to obey, disobei, or hate.

Learn from my merciful God. And weigh your words.

I would agree with Fash, but Merther is not wrong, many people have done horrible things, and have been forgiven by God, since they place their faith in God. The Japs did horrible things in the Pacific, just as all the Europeans did in the western theater, we still honor them, and I would say that honoring the Japenese is not a crime. However, they were not defending their homeland, they were defending conquests for the most part. Most of the war was fought over American protectorates, and "colonies". I too would rather be shot then rape someone, but if I had a lapse in moral fortitude, I could still be redeemed by God, there is nothing I can do that He can not forgive. But Fash, if you die, moral according to this world, or immoral, you will go to the same place if you do not repent of all the sin that you have committed in your life. Every time you look at a girl in the wrong way, or become angry at a person, you have sinned, and fallen short of the standard that God has laid out for us. It is impossible to never worship an idol, never lie, never steal, never covet, never disobey your parents. If you ever do any of this, even once, you have failed in the eyes of God. However, He sent a savior for us, who was the perfect man, who never did any of the above, and he did for us, so we could be with the Father in Heaven. Our religion is one of hope, not of legality, the only thing you have to do is believe in Jesus Christ, and be saved. This is the good news, and (Without sounding corny, or condescending,) I will pray that God will change your heart, and everyone in this region who has not turned to God.

Merther and New empire of hispanyo

Fashmaster

I, too, grew up under the Cross. But I find passiveness within the halls of it's churches.

Mercy? Mercy is for those that have earned it. For those who have taken up arms against their brothers, but knew it wise to lay them down and surrender. For those who have erred but sought forgiveness. But the unrepentant should be put to the sword, not extended an olive branch. I find the Church often shirks at the former in favor of notions of peace and love. I do not believe a god of peace and love can equally be a god of strength and justice. This is contrary to me.

Merther, New empire of hispanyo, and Imperial Kratos

Fashmaster wrote:I do not believe a god of peace and love can equally be a god of strength and justice. This is contrary to me.

Yet He rules.

Greater-Appalachia, New empire of hispanyo, and Imperial Kratos

Fashmaster wrote:I, too, grew up under the Cross. But I find passiveness within the halls of it's churches.

Mercy? Mercy is for those that have earned it. For those who have taken up arms against their brothers, but knew it wise to lay them down and surrender. For those who have erred but sought forgiveness. But the unrepentant should be put to the sword, not extended an olive branch. I find the Church often shirks at the former in favor of notions of peace and love. I do not believe a god of peace and love can equally be a god of strength and justice. This is contrary to me.

The passiveness of the Church can be seen in all aspects of life, when people do not see something important, and do not work hard for their goal. By definition, mercy is not giving someone what they deserve. No one can earn what they do not deserve. The people who do turn away only do so because they have been given mercy and grace, for no one turns away from sin of his own accord. God has to change the hearts of the sinners, they do not earn mercy. The unrepentant are simply those who have not turned to Christ, or those who will not turn to Christ. It is not within our power to know which is which, so we should treat others as human beings, made in the image of God. This is how you convert, not at gunpoint, or on the edge of a sword. Not even arguments can change hearts if God does not move them to repent. I can argue with you all day, and show you all the points in the world, but unless God changes your heart, there is nothing I can do, only hope that He does. But I agree with you, the Church has been too lenient with heresy, and corruption. The Reformers fought to the death for their beliefs, and nothing like that is seen today. God is perfect, we are imperfect, no human can be perfectly just, and full of love. However, God can be, He balances the need to right the wrongs that we do to Him every day, and the ability to redeem us. Jesus satisfies the need for His just wrath, and shows God's love for us.

Fashmaster wrote:I, too, grew up under the Cross. But I find passiveness within the halls of it's churches.

Mercy? Mercy is for those that have earned it. For those who have taken up arms against their brothers, but knew it wise to lay them down and surrender. For those who have erred but sought forgiveness. But the unrepentant should be put to the sword, not extended an olive branch. I find the Church often shirks at the former in favor of notions of peace and love. I do not believe a god of peace and love can equally be a god of strength and justice. This is contrary to me.

A good quote from Teddy Roosevelt applies to this situation quite nicely: "Speak softly and carry a big stick"

Merther, New empire of hispanyo, and Imperial Kratos

New empire of hispanyo

Merther wrote:Yet He rules.

Indeed.

Merther

P0RTVGAL wrote:he is busy with personal affairs and will resume full activity after the 17th July

Yes, I remember now he did mention to me something about studying taking up his time.

Very well. I suppose I will have to take up some of his responsibilities in the meantime.

The Cumbrian State wrote:Painting some Blood Angels RN for an upcoming wargaming contest at the end of this year. They are red variants of these guys

https://youtu.be/7jvJ7icKMtc

Hopefully one day I get to paint a Warlord Titan - it has a fuc*ing gothic cathedral as it's main body

My friend you must have an accurate eye, a steady hand and strong patience.

I used to build models of WW2 fighter & bomber planes when I was a bit younger. Got tired with it eventually and ended up donating the collection and the remaining models yet-to-be built to my fraternal nephew.

I also did stamp collecting, though that one has been on a pause for some time now.

(Re-posted) Delayed RMB responses Part I

page=rmb/postid=38841047

Part II:

Merther wrote:The way the WA works is just atrocious, let alone raiding. Raiding is pretty much what has driven most Fascist presence out of this site since there's an overwhelming majority of leftists here (From liberals to commies and anarchists) and we just can't coexist in peace.

It is exactly because of the vast amount of those deluded residing within the digital spaces of this internet community that we Fascists must persevere and continue to exist, to spread our message; the culminated sharpness of the thought process underlining who we are and why we are. Comrade, what if we were all to leave? Where would that leave NS? If we were to leave and with us, take away the last voice of reason? This is a place that has had millions of unique players over the years, millions and while from that number those leaning towards fascism might be underrepresented to some degree, our "infamy" gives us much more screen time than our quantity would imply, meaning our message is heard far and wide. I imagine that over the years there have been an untold number of people (non FE-members, non NS-players) who have gazed our region and what it contains, our RMB included. And even if one of those unheard and unfelt presences has been hit with an arrow of awakening by going through our perspective, then that is a victory without a doubt for the world and humanity as a whole, for the health of our future.

Many fascist regions that have fallen to raiding have done the basic mistake of region/community building by not establishing a ceremonial WAD, or by falling to inactivity/losing the Founder. If a Fascist region is serious about staying, enacting at least basic [yet effective] safeguards is easy and will do the trick.

Merther wrote:But regardless WA rules are stupid. WA rules state that any law that is passed by the WA is to be enforced by every WA member in their own nation. Basically the WA bypasses national sovereignty. I already had a discussion about it with FN back in the IFF days, mainly about the fact that if we were to follow the WA rules, we couldn't even exist, since idk if you guys have been checking out the WA Laws history, but some ungodly stuff has passed, to put it lightly, such as transgender recognition laws, no state propaganda, WMD regulation (Despite the fact that raiding is allowed...Ironic isn't it ? Imagine if any country could invade its neighbor and the UN wouldn't lift a finger so long as you don't use WMDs), gay marriage law, free elections law, and so on and so forth.

I know I know, there is a lot of lunacy going on in the halls. Not only with ideas but with acceptance of said ideas.

However, I must emphasize with my personal experience in this game (which should be worth something) that the actual effect of WA-legislation on your national statistics, traits and overall outlook is minimal at best and marginal most of the time. Even if it says it has a "strong" effect, it is rather mild and easily overridden by national legislation.

Heck, how do you think it is possible I've managed to maintain classifications like "psychotic dictatorship" or "Father knows best State" if the WA-legislation had a significant say in how I run my "nation"?

When you think about it, it is rather fitting that the legislation made by the international WA is weak because it mirrors the ineffectiveness of Democracy itself. It might also be a bit of a satire on the bureaucratic and tangled mess of real-life international institutions that talk and debate but don't seem to get a lot done in their corruption and infighting.

Fashmaster wrote:Brother, I must speak honestly.

You have recognized the glorious struggle that we are met with on this website. It has solidified your faith in the revolution, strengthening your convictions and making of you a proper ideologue. For this you are to be commended.

But you have also risen to this challenge with reluctance, longing for older time when things were simpler and easier, lamenting at the difficulty of the struggle you have been awarded with. This is shameful.

When faced with 100,000 Persians the measly 300 Spartans at Thermopylae did not complain about the futility of their task. They met their enemy spear to spear, sword to sword, and shield to shield with COURAGE and HONOR. They knew of their impending defeat but they did not groan over it; they embraced it. We must follow their example. The enemy is at the gates and they are an innumerable horde. Let them come. They outnumber us a thousand to one. Let them come. There is no hope of victory, no hope of retreat, no hope of salvation. Let them come. We will might them spear to spear, sword to sword, and shield to shield. We will die valiantly. But there is no valiance in whining, brother. You must meet the insurmountable not with reluctance and a desire for something fairer or easier, but with steel resolve and iron will. Do not speak of our disadvantage. Leave the howling to our enemies. Let them bellow like jackals. Let them bellow like hyenas. Do not demoralize yourself this way. It is unbecoming.

If we are to face defeat, let us face it in ignorance of it. Let us stand believing we will win when we cannot for it is the act of this defiance that is more inspiring than any half-heartedly won victory. History immortalizes glory; not victory. We do not immortalize Il Duce because he won. Remember this lesson, brother. It is important to face your demise with dignity and pride.

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Merther wrote:Fashmaster I am quite confused by your message.

You take my view on this website as something that promotes inaction...Which you are completely allowed to think, however wrong it might be. But on the other hand, you clearly say that our struggle is in vain, and that, just like the spartans, we will be defeated. History does not immortalize glory, it immortalizes winners. Your pessimistic view on the situation is justified however. Or at least I understand where you come from.

With respect, I do not feel that Fashmaster was in any way implying or meaning to say that Fascism's purpose is in vain, that our fight is not feasible or attainable. No, I feel like the main point of what Fashmaster was saying is that we should not be discouraged by the odds against us. When Fashmaster said "There is no hope of victory, no hope of retreat, no hope of salvation. Let them come. We will might them spear to spear, sword to sword, and shield to shield. We will die valiantly" he was not alluding to the hopelessness of our fight, he was reflecting his own example, that of the heroic Spartans who stood firm against the hordes of Persians. It is in that kind of a situation, with that kind of mindset -the mindset of "We stand alone at the gates of destiny"- that the Fascists should face defeat when backed to a corner with no escape when its bittersweet taste is felt. We will not submit, we can not submit. To submit is to lose the world. Our deaths are not for us, but for a grander scheme.

The Glory of our defiance will outlast generations, its echo speaking on the behalf of the strength and power of our faith; a faith which took its acolytes to the grave in its defense and the pursuit of its triumph.

Merther wrote: Whereas, as I tried to say, it is realistic to understand that we are outnumbered...

We are outnumbered for sure comrade, but this is nothing that can not be changed or altered with some focused effort. Being outnumbered is part of the beauty of our fight for it is easy to dominate with numbers and force alone but far more rewarding and meaningful to make a permanent change in the hearts of a few by winning a place in their hearts. Quality always over quantity.

Let this not be construed to implicate I do not wish us to someday outnumber our enemies themselves but I have no doubt you have seen on the internet the plentiful videos of ANTIFA shouting "bash the fash" etc. and yet when asked about what is Fascism? or What does Fascism mean to you? They are confounded at best, clueless at the most.

We do not want to be like them. We do not want to gather a large and simple-minded mass, we do not want to win with weak populism or demagoguery. We want to ascertain and ensure that all those who hold our banner do so with confidence and clarity, if this means that in the process of edification and comprehensive conversion it will take us more time to grow in numbers, so be it, because the worth of a well-defined group of loyalists with self-driven and self-feeding motivation for Fascism is far more valuable than any other alternative of weak bonding. We prefer the Fascists who lives by the Fascist code because he recognizes its supremity and justness because he wants that alone, we prefer it over the Fascist whose choice for fascism is fueled by personal benefit or merely pragmatism.

Like P0RTVGAL once said, we need radicals and the "fanatics". Those whose life is of Fascist action, and of whose identity is of Fascist character firmly and with clarity.

Merther wrote:A website is not a battlefield, you cannot flank, form shield walls, or any of that. You do not die valiantly on a website. All you end up doing is getting ousted, and damnatio memoria-ed. Because it is all virtual. What makes NationStates a great tool for Fascism is that it is a well organized structure that allows us to share our beliefs in a civilized and well regulated manner.

You are forgetting the intensity of the connection between the digital and the real-world in this era of the 2000's. We live in a digitalized world, in the era of information. Our Fascist struggle is just as much real in the digital world than it is in the real world, just as meaningful. The fight to promote Fascism and protect it from hostile intent here or elsewhere on the internet and its forums and platforms is an extension of our desire for power to change the structures of our life in the real world.

To think that we have/had people here with real-life Fascist movements/efforts, and to think that I -for example- have been a mentor to some of these people over the world speaks volumes. To think that what I've written for you people here, but not just for you, has been in the past shared around in social media for hundreds of thousands of people to see (and I hear it they were very well-received) etc. these speak volumes for the connection. That when according to my plans I eventually create my own channels and establish myself a presence, a name and a brand in the spirit of Fascism beyond NationStates and hopefully attract the interested and the disillusioned to my persona, all of that I will do in the service of a much greater design. Will you then say I am not in a battlefield? Where there will be those doing their best to shut me down, to "debunk" what I say? To paint my own persona and character as something foreign to my very soul? Are there not movements in there? Strategies? Flanking? Also when it comes to fighting there is leadership, Are these elements not visible here hmm? When I direct The Cumbrian State to use some of his real-life time to work on our AXIS-policy or when I guide him on a new article he is writing to promote Fascism on-site, is that not an act of leadership? When our RMB was shut down for a few weeks due to the incident last November, is that not an act of leadership that the region as a whole mindfully respected? Etc. etc.

Do you remember that one case where a 13-year old Estonian was in charge of a global far-right group planning terrorist attacks? Not the most pretty of examples, but it goes to show how one individual can affect others even when it is not face to face. Not all individuals will have that capacity, but then again, not all are meant to be leaders in the spheres of our reality.

Going to the barricades may have been the best (and only) option before the rise of the internet and the world wide web, but now? Now we can reach an audience so much larger, so much faster, and so much more efficiently.

The methods of fighting differ, though perhaps not that much. We do not get physical with our fists here, but it would be preferable that we do not succumb to the blind terrorist violence of the Radical Left in the real-world either. (According to statistics Radical Left has done more terror attacks than Islamist Jihadists). We are of better character and of better discipline, we must show and prove that. True, no-one of us should ignore the concept of violence, it has its times and uses, its virtues when conducted right, and we should not be oblivious to the fact that we will need our fists sooner or later, but let us be reasonable about it when the time comes.

Merther wrote:However, as we can all agree, NS is just a website. If we end up getting booted out of it, then we will find another.

If I thought it was, I'd not have been here continuously for more than 6 years now would I? So no, I disagree. I believe there are others who disagree too, and I hope you would consider it in a different light.

Look, I do not want to come off as some kind of a weirdo/lunatic who's obsessed with this place and thinks its bigger than his non-existent life. H*ll no! I have a normal and balanced, healthy life, and that's the way I like it. I am not a schizophrenic who doesn't know where the borders between real-world, fiction and his imagination go. I know I am sitting behind a screen on my desk when writing this now..and that's the world. This is..a part of that reality, not its own reality.

But consider: Here comrades in the struggle are united and brought together and emboldened together by the virtue of each one into each one through our faith. Across the nations & transcending borders, here, we exist at the highest levels of meaning and value; at the supranational level of all Fascists everywhere...organizing ourselves in accordance with our guiding pillars of the Fascist worldview, and touching on the side of entertainment, being able to simulate our worldview to a factual "reality" of our own making. Whereas in the real-world a Fascist society is not yet in the deserts of the real, in here it can manifest, like ants under a microscope. This is a game, but a game that offers us tools unlike any other to commit being Fascist, and for us Fascists then, more meaning thus follows.

This is a very special place that allows us so much better ability to experience Fascism together and build a collective around our shared identity. I am hoping you would see more meaning in this for yourself. If we cannot be Fascists out there with the rest of our kinfolk blinded by the perversions and mistakes of our past, let us be Fascists here, and carry out our purpose which helps to change the situation on the sidewalk.

Merther wrote:I don't think that is going to happen however. I think at least the Fifth Empire will still be able to thrive peacefully. But my initial point was that it is a shame that other Fascist regions are getting invaded, and we cannot do anything about it. Back in the days, we had more numbers, and raids were usually opposed by the WA Security Council; this is a fact, and I do not think that it's "bad" to think about these days as better days than now. Do not mistake my nostalgia for hopelessness or cowardice. Other regions might have fallen, but we still stand, with the memories of those who were there before, at our side.

In that side of things, Can we not do anything? We can prepare better, plan better. We can safeguard our own. There is a difference in succeeding and trying, trying is being able to do something. When the TIC fell a large inter-regional operation was set up in its defense, and operation in which I myself had the honor of being in overall command of planning and organizing, and in which I had the main responsibility as the WAD. Against the odds, the larger numbers, we held out for several days, consecutive updates. Were we not able to do something? Yes the TIC fell, but not without resistance, not without a fight! And the people regrouped, re-organized. Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.

Heck, we can even go on the offensive. Enemy regions have been taken by us Fascists before, bigger and smaller. Part of success and wisdom in the offenses is good planning, preparation and crucially, adjusting to targets to which you have enough resources. Co-operation increases resources to give the better potential for targeting bigger regions that meet criteria, but even taking smaller ones count. In the sea of anti-fascism, one less anti-fascist held outpost is more room for us.

First, A percentage of those large numbers were not Fascists but simply anti-communists and other collaborators. There is the question of how much and to what extent we want to involve ourselves with them..because the more we do the more it softens the edges of our own conviction, the purity of our roots and pillars. Allies are good and all, but do we want to become so close in one effort based on a loose unity under the title of "anti-communism" where Fascism loses its unique meaning?

Second, part of the reason why the numbers have fallen is just that people have lost interest in the raiding/wargaming aspect of NationStates. And I can understand that. Any impact is imaginary at best because people will just relocate, re-group and create new regions. You don't remove the people, just whatever house they are in right now.

Personally, the two main reasons why I -and some others here- are still involved with raiding (and why FE is too) is 1) that it adds more depth and layers to this game, keeps it more varied and diverse, makes it a better experience to invest oneself in. And 2) It has -if not practical- innate symbolic value.

Part of the phenomenon of losing pro-fascists regions is also a simple chance. If the enemy attack occurs at a period where others are inactive or otherwise unable to respond in time and organize their forces to assist.

Anyway, Let us not get too depressed about this. We're not hopeless :)

And if you yourself want to do something to help, would like to broaden your NS-experience then you can always sign up to join the Imperial Brigades under my command. I will personally train you up so you're sharp and good to go!

Merther wrote:We shine as a beacon of enlightenment and thought in this ocean of darkness and primal intellect. There is no "war to be fought" but the continuation of our grand cult of reason, brilliance and devotion. They might have far greater raiding abilities than we do, but what matters is our spiritual strength; our strength in quality over quantity - Something that you are well aware of my brother(s).

Applause.

Though I would consider that the continuation which you mention, is a war in itself. It will not be carried out without opposition.

Merther wrote:We cannot be defeated as they have already lost. We are in a constant state of victory and progress while they are complascent in their ignorance and debauchery.

An interesting take-on. Good.

I suppose what you're after is that -for example- The Marxist is already headed towards an eventual demise, the faults of his belief will bring ruin, dragging him into the void of oblivion. His misplaced loyalty to a conception rooted in fallacies and loopholes, one which provides stagnation, not progress, will seal his downfall. A Fascist, in a way, has already won a significant battle by becoming Fascist. An inner battle of loyalties. If he dies, he will die a victor in himself.

Fashmaster wrote:Your words prove contradictory, brother.

You speak of arrogance being the downfall of empires, yet talk of us being incapable of defeat. This is a misnomer. Our victory is inevitable; not eternal. Were it so easy as that then there would be no struggle.

We have faced defeat before and will continue to do so...

And yet echoes of our victories will linger on, our achievements become legends and legacies for the unseen of the future.

The Status of our victory as an active-passive phase of being shared across the strata of society is not to be thought of as eternal, for one because it weakens us to those forces seeking to undermine us, and secondly, because it would (like you said) disintegrate the principle of struggle as vital lifeforce of human being and that of human experience.

Defeats are part of the victory, lost battles part of wars won. And in defeat one can gain valuable experience and knowledge to do better next time...to learn more about the behavior and strategies of the enemy, to replay the events that transpired and become wiser in the process.

The Culmination of a grand-plan is not dependant on the fulfillment of every detail as they were visioned, the Fascist espouses efficiency and part of efficiency is being adaptive, finding ways to exploit and to take advantage of unpredicted events and changes instead of allowing them to depress and disappoint, instead of allowing them to jeopardize the scheme. And so? And so one remains in control.

Fashmaster wrote: History immortalizes glory; not victory. We do not immortalize Il Duce because he won.

Merther wrote:History does not immortalize glory, it immortalizes winners.

Fashmaster wrote:You say that history immortalizes victory, yet this is untrue.

Rommel lost.
Leonidas lost.
Mussolini lost.
Rome lost.
The Vikings lost.
The Huns lost.
The Aztec lost.
The Crusaders lost.

Not all who lose are denied immortality. Not all who fail are without glory. Remember this, brother. It is important.

Allow me to....settle your dispute.

You both are going around in circles around the same thing, speaking on behalf of different perspectives both of which are true and neither more wrong than the other. There is glory in victory as much as there is glory in heroic defeats; last stands of brothers-in-arms united in an iron camaraderie. Does glory exist separately from the feats to which it binds itself? To attain glory one has to commit deeds, there is no glory in simply existing now is there? Is a couch-potato who wastes his life in front of the TV locked between four walls and a roof for day after day, a very glorious creature?

A more accurate representation of what you're alluding to, let me paint it for you, is to say that history immortalizes deeds. The Holocaust of Hitler, the Bolshevik Revolution of Lenin etc.. These are the lenses through which these iconic beings are kept alive. If Lenin had not done anything significant, we would likely not know of him very well, he would've been just any other citizen in a mass of citizens. But his actions lifted him up, gave him a moment in the starlight, made him famous. And through that fame? Through that fame we also got interested in Lenin himself, who was he? How was he like? Why he was the way he was? etc.

We immortalize IL DUCE and those of his disciples because of his actions which inspire us through shared memory. We remember enabled by and through the layers of history -which has immortalized- the defeats and victories of our forebears, the glory of success in victory and the glory of defiance and unwillingness to submit in defeat.

One could also say that we immortalize IL DUCE because of what he represents, the Fascist spirit and the idea of a worldview. This is not wrong to say by any means. Yet even this connection, just like how the Marxist immortalizes Lenin because of what he represents, is rooted in the deeds and actions of these individuals. Mussolini gave Fascism a face, his most important deed in my opinion.

The Fall of the regime was not the defeat of this idea itself, as we are a living testimony to this factuality, and the remnants would continue to oppose in the Cold War to follow...

(BTW details on this will be added in the Ministry of Truth Fascist timeline/history project)

P0RTVGAL wrote:isnt thinking all the non roman groups/civs were just raiders and barbarians kind of a massive meme tho?

Yeah. There were civilized and educated "barbarian" kings and rulers who kept some of the Roman traditions alive and borrowed from their practices.

For example the Ostrogoth king Theodorick the Great employed a man called Cassiodorus, a historian and a scholar in his administration. If he was just a sacker and a pillager, would he have bothered with that?

Wikipedia b/c I'm lazy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassiodorus

(I've read the Cassiodorus Chronicle btw.)

Fashmaster wrote:Brother Merther, with all due respect I have found you to be quite 'narrow-sighted'. You are allowing subjective interpretations born out of a biased standpoint from your culture to affect your understanding of history, which is most disappointing. An open mind is not always a negative thing; a closed mind is not always a positive thing. When it comes to the history of our species I encourage you to broaden your mind and views, to see the perspective of the variety of cultures that have clashed against one another over the centuries. Eurocentrism is a painfully dull and boring understanding of human civilization that neglects the vast majority of nations that have existed throughout written & unwritten history.

Never forget that to the American Indian it was the White Man that was the savage, bloodthirsty barbarian come to plunder, rape, and kill. An untrustworthy imperialist stomping upon sacred ground committing foul crimes and atrocities in the blasphemous name of tyrants and demons. Cruel men without honor seeking to destroy their very way of life.

Glory is a metaphysical currency earned through renown and prestige obtained by great achievements and grand accomplishments. It is not a monopoly of the Christian European world. It would be pure propaganda to suggest otherwise. Those who deny the glory and honor of their enemies are without glory and honor themselves.

Quite so.

Personally I find it very interesting and time-worthy to think and ponder on how different cultures/civilizations came to be the way they are. To pursue that educated understanding and to grasp that developmental narrative instead of fighting over and about which great ancient civilization was better/the best.

Can one have favorites? Sure, why not. Were all civilizations equally successful? No. And there are a lot of variables/factors to account for when considering that question, which is to say it is not necessarily because of a fault in that particular civilization itself. A pretty good example is what happened with the Native Americans (Thinking of South America in particular here), a large part of their defeat when the Europeans came was due to the disease and sickness which followed and to which the natives had no immunity. Had the European's diseases not ravaged the natives I have a feeling they would have been able to put up a pretty decent fight against the Europeans. Granted, the Europeans had better guns and equipment at that point, but they were numerically outmatched and the natives had good communications (a consistent network of runners relaying messages) and logistics to organize their resistance. They had better knowledge of their surroundings and could have used that to lay traps and set-up ambushes and such. I can imagine the mountainous regions of Brazil etc. would've especially good for that purpose.

In any case, when we say things like "The Aztecs would have never developed to the point of the Romans" (as Merther did) we are unfortunately setting our particular western/European manifestations of civilization as a universal standard, a datum that everyone else would need to copy.

This is wrong. First off, the system the Aztecs had was good for them, it kept them alive and going, enabled them to build their own kind of an Empire. Even without horses, wheels, etc. They found a way to manage, and that is human ingenuity at its best. I Can't remember what civ it was in particular, but they used a system of strings and knots to calculate advanced mathematics. How cool is that?

Would the Aztecs have even valued a Roman-style civilization? Would the native Indians have wanted to become like the Industrialist British with their private ownership of land and capitalist profit-production? I doubt it. They loved their land and nature as a shared responsibility, their God was all around them in the rocks and mountains and praeries.

These people had a deep cultural connection to the land, that is how they lived. The Western Biblical statement that man is to dominate the nature and use it to his benefit, exploit it, was so foreign to them.

P0RTVGAL wrote:

The Fifth Empire is a region of extremes.
The very same way I have extreme volumes of self control and tolerance for those of you whose IRL lifestyles differ from mine by the proportion of a biblical canyon. Atsuria and I have been very careful to maintain this fun balance within this region and the type of approach the CCD is taking is beyond ridiculous and over reaching, and Allah knows I have to keep the colorful commentary down at 10% lest a game moderator decide to grace the regional board through a monitor glow. Northportugalinho got kicked because of the 'unlawful' use of the region-to-region message board feature to spread weird messages with our name attached, NOT because he was a communist inquiring about our beliefs.

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Yes. While we aim and wish to preserve the identity and henceforth majority of this region as Fascist. It is to be highlighted that even so, we do not close our doors from those wishing to learn or know about us better, from those with good intentions. Neither do we close our doors categorically from the non-Fascist, provided he is reasonably compatible by his standing and/or sympathetic and supportive. Problems arise if and when the non-fascist starts to actively undermine us, provoke conflict, or act anti-socially in other ways.

Fashmaster wrote:There can be no mercy for your enemies for there is no assurance in the world that your enemies will be merciful toward you. To destroy them utterly is to hinder the risk of a boot being placed upon your neck tomorrow.

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Fashmaster wrote:

Mercy? Mercy is for those that have earned it. For those who have taken up arms against their brothers, but knew it wise to lay them down and surrender. For those who have erred but sought forgiveness.

Refining of thought, eh Fashmaster?

Brazika wrote:Totally agree. Enemies need be massacred.

If they hit you with a hammer... Cut them hands with a axe. No mercy. 😁

One needs to address the existence of enemies. I myself -however- would prefer to annihilate my enemies with my mind and words, pen over the sword.

I give a lot more respect for Charismatic Leaders who have installed their persona over others as a beacon of guidance over those whose victory was attained solely and only by pressing the cold metal of a pistol to the side of a man's temple, through sheer force alone. Obey or else. These kind of "leaders" are in reality weak; useless, clueless and poor without their tools. If you take away their weapons, they will not be able to command the loyalty of others through their (the people's) own accord. When the only factor that has allowed them to remain in power, fear of force and of guns, is stripped away, they are no more special than the citizens they subjected under their rule. It is painful to watch such average ordinariness becoming higher than it deserves.

Consider this: In a group of people with only one gun available, anyone can try to be a boss by just holding the gun in question and using it to threaten the rest without anything special about that person whatsoever because a gun is a super-efficient tool of death and whoever holds it in this situation can easily attain control, as he now has the means to end your life or allow you to continue living if you do as he says. No-one else has any real good way to oppose the power of the gun (when it is the only one.). Try to get close to disarming him? He can mow you down form a distance before you reach him. etc. The best chances would be to coordinate the effort and have many go at him at once or when he least expects it, but even then, it could fail or end up being very costly, and maybe not worth the price?

However, it is an entirely different situation to be surrounded without a gun by men all armed with guns but who would never ever even think about pointing their guns at you. Your own soldiers, your own followers. Perhaps you are surrounded by them because you are giving them a speech. They are men who and whose guns are -instead- at your command, ready to be pointed elsewhere away from you and towards any threat to the collective or to your life and health without hesitation by your dictation. Imagine that, it is rather marvelous when you think about it. Such a potent tool of death, held in the hands of an individual but controlled by someone not holding it at all, not holding any weapon at all. Some invincible force radiating from the leader has won over the threat posed by the firearm and subjected it under its leash.

I hope you get what I'm trying to say here.

It is power at its best. When one's voice alone hits harder than any bullet or Axe. And it takes a special kind of person to be able to attain that position where his presence alone radiates authority and command over others. When he does not need weapons or threats to lead others, nor has to fear the weapons of others as he/she is beyond being a target of these weapons.

Also since there was talk about the American Civilizations if you're interested in their science & technology (or the history of science & technology in general) more I suggest you find and read a book by James. E. McClellan called "Science and Technology in World History: an introduction". He covers a timespan from early men and paleolithic/neolithic cultures to the present day and while the main focus is on European developments, he also goes around the world to examine science & technology in the Islamic World, China, India, The Americas. It is not just a neutral overview of anything like that, his main point throughout the book is that technology as a field largely developed independently throughout history separate from science and that when these two interacted it usually was the other way around that technology inspired science, like how alchemy had roots in technological practices of metallurgy. Basically, he is arguing against a traditional view that technology was "applied science". And that applied science the way we know it only properly emerged during the 1800's.

It is not a perfect history book (but a good and educative read anyway) and from the past decade (the version I read 2006 if I recall correctly), he -for instance- ignores Nikola Tesla out of the picture completely when discussing the electrification of the world which I hate and goes on to boldly claim that Ancient Egypt had zero theoretical philosophy or theoretical thinking in general, that it was all focused on the practical & useful of Mathematics, Metallurgy/Alchemy, Astronomy/Astrology, Medicine etc. (The main sciences consistently supported & patronaged by rulers across different Empires of the world) and that the tradition of theoretical/abstract science in the form of Philosophy (and its sub-fields) only emerged with independent Greek thinkers without state patronage...(and from there was inherited by the Romans and by medieval Europe from the 10th/11th century onwards in-unison with the fast rise of the Universitas.

(When in Truth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_philosophy

Anyway, If any of you are in university right now you can access it online through various online academic depositories through your university account/ID. (For example Ebook central: https://ebookcentral.proquest.com/auth/lib/hec-ebooks/login.action)

If not you'll have to get a physical copy from a library or smth.

Atsuria wrote:My friend you must have an accurate eye, a steady hand and strong patience.

I used to build models of WW2 fighter & bomber planes when I was a bit younger. Got tired with it eventually and ended up donating the collection and the remaining models yet-to-be built to my fraternal nephew.

I also did stamp collecting, though that one has been on a pause for some time now.

Each miniature can take hours to days to paint; applying bases, shades; giving ornaments a gleam and shine etc

However once each one is complete, you get a sense of pride like no other.

Atsuria what I said was a way of speaking. Not necessary you use a gun to be better than your enemy. What I meant is: If your enemy gave you something, return it even more strongly. But I understood your thinking.

On behalf of the Fifth Empire most warm welcomes to the region to our new arrivals Marperking and Vergiss! We are very glad to receive you as new members, especially in this time when others less active are moving on to places away from us. Hopefully though, some of them will return in times of future.

You should have received the automatic welcome telegram which should help you orient to your new surroundings. Nevertheless, if you have any questions about anything, concerns, hopes etc. don't be afraid to contact Brazika or myself.

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