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Aren't we all Human

Tarfas And Ifnom Asadi wrote:Aren't we all Human

Nah I知 not

(Joke)
A duck

Speranzist wrote:Nah I知 not

Now that I'm thinking about that, would an alien say "We're all *insert species name*"

I am not thrilled with the new poll; but I'm not taking it down unless there's some negative crap on our RMB.

I do want to educate some of you younger folks, who may vote for the "democracy" thing. We are a republic, not a strict democracy. Democracy is one step away from Anarchy. The electoral college was a brilliant idea in 1776, and thus even more so today. Who could have predicted the population growth in NY state; and California wasn't even a part of us. Without the college, our president would be elected by only 2 states: NY and CA. None of us in the middle would have any say in it. These are heavily blue states; a Republican president-elect has not gotten the popular vote in 20 years. We'd be a very different country with one party rule. Whether you're red or blue, You gotta admit, a swing back and forth keeps us in the center.

And I only posted that because I have run into persons under 30 who have no idea what the electoral college is or why it was written.

Welcome, Kingdom of north korea.

**Puts out a pile of pancakes, syrup, OJ, and Hershey's kisses**

I have opinions on this poll, but I don't like to get into politics on this board, since we got so many different viewpoints here. And it always ends up causing aggression. So I'll leave it there. I voted my view and that's enough.

Gypsy Lands wrote:And I only posted that because I have run into persons under 30 who have no idea what the electoral college is or why it was written.

That's because Civics is a class not commonly taught in schools nowadays; one source says eleven states have no such requirements to teach it in their schools. If Civics was more mandatory, perhaps we wouldn't keep on confusing the difference between democracy and being a republic. A course in US history wouldn't go amiss either, with none of the 1619 Project crap either.

I'm not an American, so I don't really have an opinion, but I would have to say that Parliamentary Democracy is in my view a better system. Dunno if it would suit the US's situation though.

The problem with questions like that (IMO) is that many people (I'd say most) cannot distinguish the question "is this method of choosing the executive objectively the best way to do it compared to the alternatives?" versus "does this method mean that the side I favor will win the next election?" I have found that opinions on these questions shift around not on principle or logic, but on the basis of which one leads to a desired victory in the current situation.

I have no plans to respond to the poll, because there are options beyond Electoral College and direct democracy, and because it's all moot, as political realities mean that the Electoral College is extremely likely to stick around for a long time, whether I like it or not.

Gypsy Lands wrote:I am not thrilled with the new poll; but I'm not taking it down unless there's some negative crap on our RMB.

I do want to educate some of you younger folks, who may vote for the "democracy" thing. We are a republic, not a strict democracy. Democracy is one step away from Anarchy. The electoral college was a brilliant idea in 1776, and thus even more so today. Who could have predicted the population growth in NY state; and California wasn't even a part of us. Without the college, our president would be elected by only 2 states: NY and CA. None of us in the middle would have any say in it. These are heavily blue states; a Republican president-elect has not gotten the popular vote in 20 years. We'd be a very different country with one party rule. Whether you're red or blue, You gotta admit, a swing back and forth keeps us in the center.

And I only posted that because I have run into persons under 30 who have no idea what the electoral college is or why it was written.

As a foreigner (whose country aims to literally copy Uncle Sam) , I think regardless of the ruling party, America and her ideology will and has always remained the same, though it may have changed since the founding fathers, it still aims to promote liberal idea and maintain its liberal hegemony all over the world.

While, yes, there are some... distasteful elements in both parties (though it would depend on what do you believe in), I think ultimately, the current American system is neither beneficial nor is it detrimental to its citizen. Afterall, America is a republic, not a true democracy.

But yeah, in my opinion, as one of America's "clients", it should be a direct democracy.

idk tho

This entire democracy vs republic deal is unheard of anywhere outside the US because nobody wants to introduce greek democracy anyway

All the comments posted, while well thought out, make me nervous. I would appreciate it if the comment would cease.

Except for the comment by Penguin Gypsies:
I'm old enough to be the grandparent of a lot of the nations here. In my day, 4 years of American history was taught in school, grades 7th, 8th, 11th, 12th. We got dates and events in Jr. high--civics was included--and in Sr. high we went into analysis. When the hell did history become a non-subject in American schools???

Gypsy Lands wrote:All the comments posted, while well thought out, make me nervous. I would appreciate it if the comment would cease.

Except for the comment by Penguin Gypsies:
I'm old enough to be the grandparent of a lot of the nations here. In my day, 4 years of American history was taught in school, grades 7th, 8th, 11th, 12th. We got dates and events in Jr. high--civics was included--and in Sr. high we went into analysis. When the hell did history become a non-subject in American schools???

Google tells me mandatory Civics class stopped being emphasized in the 60s, and further says it was slashed in the early 2000s in favor of the things emphasized in the No Child Left Behind standardized testing regime, passed during the Bush administration. Google's AI cites these two articles respectively, adding a third article talking about J6.

1): https://www.nea.org/nea-today/all-news-articles/forgotten-purpose-civics-education-public-schools
2): https://www.highschoolcube.com/exploring-the-past-and-future-of-civics-in-the-american-education-system/
3): https://leadingladiesvote.org/newsletter/whatever-happened-to-civics-class

Deeply fascinating. However, it would be a mistake to solely attribute things to just a singular act by the Bush administration; none of this happened in a vacuum. This has been an ongoing effort, whether cultural, institutional, or even "Marxist", in paring things down until we are suddenly left wondering, openly, "why are people so [redacted] dumb?" To really get into the root of the matter, one must investigate these things more closely and open-mindedly, since never, ever attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence or mere stupidity.

That's all I'll say on the matter out of respect for your wishes of a peaceable, orderly RMB.

Hermes Express 123 wrote:I'm not an American, so I don't really have an opinion, but I would have to say that Parliamentary Democracy is in my view a better system. Dunno if it would suit the US's situation though.

I am with u.

Gypsy Lands wrote:I am not thrilled with the new poll; but I'm not taking it down unless there's some negative crap on our RMB.

I do want to educate some of you younger folks, who may vote for the "democracy" thing. We are a republic, not a strict democracy. Democracy is one step away from Anarchy. The electoral college was a brilliant idea in 1776, and thus even more so today. Who could have predicted the population growth in NY state; and California wasn't even a part of us. Without the college, our president would be elected by only 2 states: NY and CA. None of us in the middle would have any say in it. These are heavily blue states; a Republican president-elect has not gotten the popular vote in 20 years. We'd be a very different country with one party rule. Whether you're red or blue, You gotta admit, a swing back and forth keeps us in the center.

And I only posted that because I have run into persons under 30 who have no idea what the electoral college is or why it was written.

Sorry, I can take it down if you want.

It'll be gone soon enough. We have lots of polls here, the vast majority of which are completely innocuous, yet I've gotten some occasional whines from other regions about them. You just can't please everyone.

Chanute 2 wrote:So sad to see that their region is so....dead :( i get really sad whenever i see a region like that, a region once filled with life, now devoid of it and what remains is the bones of a once lively place.

That is to be expected in a game as old as this one. New nations and regions are created. Old nations and regions just fade away.

Chanute 2 wrote:Chanute 2

Or in some cases nations disappear through Mod action.

Gypsy Lands wrote:I am not thrilled with the new poll; but I'm not taking it down unless there's some negative crap on our RMB.

I do want to educate some of you younger folks, who may vote for the "democracy" thing. We are a republic, not a strict democracy. Democracy is one step away from Anarchy. The electoral college was a brilliant idea in 1776, and thus even more so today. Who could have predicted the population growth in NY state; and California wasn't even a part of us. Without the college, our president would be elected by only 2 states: NY and CA. None of us in the middle would have any say in it. These are heavily blue states; a Republican president-elect has not gotten the popular vote in 20 years. We'd be a very different country with one party rule. Whether you're red or blue, You gotta admit, a swing back and forth keeps us in the center.

And I only posted that because I have run into persons under 30 who have no idea what the electoral college is or why it was written.

A sad commentary on Civics education in America.

Hermes Express 123 wrote:I'm not an American, so I don't really have an opinion, but I would have to say that Parliamentary Democracy is in my view a better system. Dunno if it would suit the US's situation though.

The US Founders were very familiar with the Parliamentary System. They devised the Electoral College as a way to screen out undesirable candidates, while sending the best group of candidates to the House Of Representatives for election similar to the way that the Prime Minister is chosen in the UK. Their plan was circumvented by the development of the two-party system which always produced an electoral winner. Insuring that a vote in Congress was never even necessary.

I知 quietly using you people for my US Politics course

The United British Federation wrote:I知 quietly using you people for my US Politics course

I had a nation years ago that joined a very active political region, mainly to join the debate going on. Months later, several members said they were using the region as a group project, gathering info on how the opposite party deals with conflicting opinions.

However, in such a neutral region as ours, how will that help your politics course?

Gypsy Lands wrote:I had a nation years ago that joined a very active political region, mainly to join the debate going on. Months later, several members said they were using the region as a group project, gathering info on how the opposite party deals with conflicting opinions.

However, in such a neutral region as ours, how will that help your politics course?

I think it's an interesting case study to see how or to what extent can we express our not-very-neutral opinion in a very neutral way.

The United British Federation wrote:I知 quietly using you people for my US Politics course

Smart i did something similar on this site once

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