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The Thaecian Senate RMB

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Founder: The Account of The Chairman of the Senate

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Welcome to the Senate, Thaecia's upper house of Congress.


Leadership:
  • Chairman of the Senate: Marvinville (TFP)

  • Deputy Chairman: Vacant

  • Shadow Chairman of the Senate: Andusre (TPU)


Please read the Code of Conduct and Senate Procedures (L.R. 006) before posting here.

Senate Business

Previous Business: Congressional Expansion Act of July 2020 (PASSED 7-0)
Current Business: The Loosening of Congressional Procedures Act
Next Business: TBD


To submit a bill to The Thaecian Senate, please find a Senator to sponsor the bill and then send it to Chairman Marvinville.



Embassies: Thaecia.

Tags: Anime, Democratic, Minuscule, and Password.

The Thaecian Senate contains 2 nations.

Today's World Census Report

The Largest Insurance Industry in The Thaecian Senate

The World Census posed as door-to-door salespeople in order to establish which nations have the most extensive Insurance industries.

As a region, The Thaecian Senate is ranked 10,306th in the world for Largest Insurance Industry.

NationWA CategoryMotto
1.The Republic of Senate Chair MarvinvilleScandinavian Liberal Paradise“Lets unite as one”
2.The Account of The Chairman of the SenateDemocratic Socialists“I will kill your political career”

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The Thaecian Senate Regional Message Board

I have decided to Table the bill and the Senate will be adjourned for a short period of time (also due to personal reasons). This bill will once again be brought to the Senate floor soon for a new debate period.

Opening Amendment Voting - The Loosening of Congressional Procedures Act

The Loosening of Congressional Procedures Act
Authors: Andusre & Islonia
Sponsors: Andusre & Islonia

With Marvinville's permission, we have now begun debating on Amendment A to The Loosening of Congressional Procedures Act.

The definition of "adequate consensus" will be changed to read as follows:

Adequate consensus is defined as a group of MPs, constituting two thirds of the chamber, who all voice their support or opposition to the current business of the chamber.

Examples:

When debating a constitutional amendment, adequate consensus would be defined as two thirds in support of the amendment (required for a constitutional amendment to pass Congress) OR one third in opposition to the amendment (as this is enough to cause a constitutional amendment to fail)

When debating a regular bill, adequate consensus would be defined as a two thirds' majority in favour OR in opposition to the bill.

After reconsidering, I think that the amendment does fix some of the issues with the proposed bill, and although I do feel there could be some improvements made elsewhere, it does improve it enough to potentially change my vote to an aye.

I do support Amendment A but I agree with World Trade that the bill can be improved in other areas to be effective. I will likely submit another Amendment later on when I am able to. I would like to apologize to the Senate with the earlier mess but I was making decisions based on what Procedures would allow for and I believe that the best course of action was to table the bill and to restart the process on it, which I hope you agree with. I would like to say that if you are planning to submit an amendment in any future time following 12 hours of debate, please let me know so we can avoid this from happening again. Thank you Andy for your help so far and thank you to the rest of the Senators for being patient.

Aye

Islonia wrote:Aye

We aren't voting yet but thanks for the enthusiasm

While Amendment A does offer a great and greatly needed improvement, I do believe there to still be a major issue: as of now (including Amendement A) an adequate consensus would consist of a 2/3 majority, yet the needed amound of MP's or Senators needed to ask for a return to the debating stage with any legitimacy remains to be 50% + 1 (meaning a simple majority).
I think the problem here is clear. If this would be the case, such a simple majority would, logically speaking, be impossible to achieve in a situation where 2/3 of MP's or Senators have already called out their thoughts in unity on the matter.
That is why I ask consideration and input on this idea from fellow Senators for a possible Amendement B in which this would be changed.

Brototh wrote:We aren't voting yet but thanks for the enthusiasm

Reee Andy
I'll look at it tomorrow, 1:18am here.

Andusre I have 2 quick questions for you. In Amendment A, it changes the adequate consensus from a majority to 2/3rds majority to end the debate stage before the 12 hours is up. Does this also include the voting period or just the debate period?

The second question is where will Article III of the bill go? Will it be included in both of L.R. 006 and L.R. 024 or will it be a separate law?

Andusre has answered the questions on discord so if the Senators want to know the answers, here they are:

Answer to question 1: "Yes, it includes the voting period and the debate period."

Answer to question 2: "The new definition should be added to both bills, the "reminder" part should be discarded."

I will also be starting something new now so we can avoid any more possible scenarios like the one earlier today from happening again. Once I start the debate period of a bill, I will announce a time when I look to start the votes on the final passage or on any proposed amendments if there are any. I believe that this can keep the Senate organized so all amendments can be proposed before a planned vote time. I can of course postpone the vote time if the debate is ongoing but I would let you know if that happens. Also if you want to propose an amendment near the planned vote time, please let me know so I can postpone the voting period and allow for a short debate addition on the amendment. If you have any questions for this new addition, feel free to ask me.

I am announcing that the vote on the proposed amendments(s) will begin no earlier than tomorrow (Wednesday) afternoon. (all times will be EST)

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