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Delmarva and Cape May wrote:

I agree, that is why I say play it safe while fixing the foundational problems plaguing this region, at least before radically changing the connotations of our theming. You need to be deliberate when making these decisions.

I will not be able to make compromises with everyone and win over everyone. For now, the new flag is in place.

Have you heard of the region of Europe? You might be surprised to learn that most of the people in the region are from Micronesia and the United States. Have you heard of the United Kingdom, yet another large region? You might be surprised to learn that most people in the region are from Canada and the United States. The region and its branding are what define it, not just the flag or name.

Delmarva and Cape May wrote:

To each his own, then.

I don't mean to contradict you; I think your reasoning has some validity, but I have an opinion about the future of the region based on the foundations that have been laid down before. Together with Cynoa, I'll endeavor to create a more welcoming flag for the region. I think the banner is appropriate for the region, so it will stay up.

Delmarva and Cape May wrote:

And you have my full confidence that you'll accomplish that. I'm also indifferent about the banner, as I think it's insignificant to regional perception. I'm also fine with it staying up.

Sincerely, I think it will be difficult for most people to recognize that it is the Capital Building, and it won't stop new people from looking at the region. There isn't anything particularly crazy about it; it just feels right.

Eco-Paris Reformation wrote:

Sincerely, I think it will be difficult for most people to recognize that it is the Capital Building, and it won't stop new people from looking at the region. There isn't anything particularly crazy about it; it just feels right.

Yeah, I agree with you on that.

After taking another look at the flag, it seems that I basically recreated the flag of Laos 🇱🇦

Oh well, that's a problem for tomorrow.

Liberal Malaysia wrote:

I LOVE the new UAS flag. Love the new makeover. It reminds me of a certain super-amazing country in the Americas, possibly the greatest country in the world.

And congratulations to Eco and Revengi on their ministerial appointments, and to Cynoa and Sicias on being appointed as advisors to the Domestic Minister.

Long Live the Union.

Gazoo like the flag. Yes, congratulations to Eco-Paris Reformation, Revengi, Cynoa and Sicias!!

Delmarva and Cape May wrote:

I'm just concerned about the perception the flag brings out. It's bad enough some people consider this place an ideological echo chamber. I feel like this theme, even if temporary, will only facilitate that idea.

Gazoo is frustrated that some nations believe this Union is an “ideological echo chamber”

Eco-Paris Reformation wrote:

One of the main tenets of the region is free speech, and many of the regional documents, concepts, and values are derived from the same ideas upon which the United States was created. Both the right to free speech and beliefs. There are still a good number of people at UAS who have more liberal views; the region does not have an ideological echo chamber. Here, everyone is kept in order. This is one of the rare regions where liberals and conservatives can live in harmony without the influence of extremist ideologies like fascism or communism.

Exactly! This Union value freedom of speech. Gazoo has fought for this great since Gazoo arrived and was constantly attacked because of Gazoo’s views.

Delmarva and Cape May wrote:

I agree with you wholeheartedly on what this region stands for. However, opinions of the United States differ according to who you speak to, and while we may disagree with their assessment, this flag gives off favoritism towards one particular side of the debate. If this community is going to span internationally with diverse discord, we cannot favor one nation over the other.

Edit: I also agree that this region is not an echo chamber. I just think that this flag gives a feeling of exclusivity, rather than inclusivity.

This is a great Union!

Eco-Paris Reformation wrote:

This flag is not going to get us banned and the region doesn't need a commission to pass a new flag.

Delmarva and Cape May wrote:

Isn't one of the core tenets of the US states' rights, democracy, and consent of the governed? Why be so opposed to us as a union deciding how we advertise ourselves? Why is it so important to give one member state the unilateral ability to decide how we look?

Nonetheless, a commission was merely a recommendation for a later date. I don't see why it's a bad idea once activity increases some more.

Eco-Paris Reformation wrote:

The fundamental idea here is that the region's appearance has already been determined. It has been promoted as this central, large-tent zone that essentially lives off of being similar to the United States. The rights and the framework of the government were exactly the same as in the United States. It won't deter people from other nations from joining if the flag is comparable to and welcoming of US ideals. Finally, not every member of the region will be satisfied with a flag, and it won't be as easy as a silly commission creating flags. I have an overwhelming feeling that the more American-style flag would pass easily if it were put to a vote. Ultimately, there are more important things for the region that need to be done than squabble over a flag. My Domestic Ministry oversees the region's overall direction and appearance, thus I believe it is time to market the region.

Delmarva and Cape May wrote:

A lot of text...

Yes, but we never marketed ourselves as a clone of the US. We inherited a lot of those values, but we were never on the nose, or considered exactly the same.

How do you know? If you were to show someone from the UK the flag of this region, featuring a bald eagle against the backdrop of the star-spangled banner, wouldn't you expect it to create the perception of a US-centric group; something we haven't been for a large segment of our history?
Yet, you are interacting with someone who's been a member for over half a decade (albeit, inactive a lot) and who's showing opposition to this flag. Why take that chance and make these decisions based on a hunch? Also, of course, not everyone would be satisfied with it, but confirming consensus is better than making significant changes on a whim.

I agree, that is why I say play it safe while fixing the foundational problems plaguing this region, at least before radically changing the connotations of our theming. You need to be deliberate when making these decisions.

Eco-Paris Reformation wrote:

I will not be able to make compromises with everyone and win over everyone. For now, the new flag is in place.

Have you heard of the region of Europe? You might be surprised to learn that most of the people in the region are from Micronesia and the United States. Have you heard of the United Kingdom, yet another large region? You might be surprised to learn that most people in the region are from Canada and the United States. The region and its branding are what define it, not just the flag or name.

Delmarva and Cape May wrote:

And you have my full confidence that you'll accomplish that. I'm also indifferent about the banner, as I think it's insignificant to regional perception. I'm also fine with it staying up.

Eco-Paris Reformation wrote:

Sincerely, I think it will be difficult for most people to recognize that it is the Capital Building, and it won't stop new people from looking at the region. There isn't anything particularly crazy about it; it just feels right.

Gazoo will not post any remarks just in case this situation arrives to the Gazoo’s court.

Delmarva and Cape May wrote:

Proposal: Flag for UAS

by The Commoners Republic of Delmarva and Cape May

Proposal 1:

Proposal 2:

Read dispatch

I based this flag on some renditions promoted by Eco-Paris Reformation and the guidelines supported by the North American Vexillological Association. I can make modifications as necessary. If there are any who oppose this flag, please share your opinion.

The red and blue color scheme uses the same hexadecimal colors used on the current United States flag. This flag also has a .svg version so it can look extra sharp on our front page.

Nonetheless, in the meantime, I will be sleeping. Goodnight everyone!

Delmarva and Cape May wrote:

After taking another look at the flag, it seems that I basically recreated the flag of Laos 🇱🇦

Oh well, that's a problem for tomorrow.

The middle logo looks similar to what Iran uses. Gazoo doesn’t like Iran.

Long live Zetox!

Eco-Paris Reformation wrote:

I appreciate the effort—but the current flag will stand high.

Well, regardless, I'll keep it up for later use. I made some updates to the proposal that resolved the Laos issue, if you care.

Also, I still think the blue needs to be changed on the current flag. I've always despised that blue used by Wikipedia. The US flag does not look like that!

I will say we do have to be super careful because a lot of NS mods tend to be left wing biased and might have a problem with free speech that doesn't align with their beliefs. Best not draw any unnessisary mod attention to ourselves.

On a lighter note,

Men are not women

I support Israel

I support Ukraine

I support Tawain

I support Donald Trump

Joe Biden is a Corrupt and Senile Old Man

Tik Tok is a Chinese propaganda machine and should be either sold to a US company or banned.

DEI Is Racist and harmful to society

Free speech at work folks

I find it interesting that the WA found it appropriate that Civil Rights decrease when banning SA of animals. I'm perplexed, to say the least.

Eco-Paris Reformation wrote:

The way the WA operates is intriguing. I really hate it sometimes. It truly needs to be fixed, and I will be waiting for the big update that will be released eventually.

An update is coming?