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Post by Heillblod suppressed by a moderator.
It's all okay then. Thank you for it. I was so afraid, but now with your text I'm better.
It's not just old folks who are dying from this bug. Kids, people with bad immune systems, people who are already sick with something else, etc. can all die from the beervirus. Plus, it can turn into Pneumonia which can be very life-threatening.
This level of Big State fearmongering is what I'd expect from libertarians and Anarchists, not Fascists. Get a grip. Obviously the media is blowing it out of proportion, but that doesn't mean it's some kind of conspiracy. The statistical chances of the whole world being in on a global conspiracy without having their cover blown is astronomical.
Reality isn't nearly interesting enough for that to be possible.
ROFL
Are you thick?
You're not one of us, Anarcho-Primitivist. Stop pretending to be.
Of course the media is the enemy of the people. Anyone with eyes can see that. But the media doesn't have the power to just fabricate a global pandemic. That's literally impossible, in large part thanks to the Internet. Of course it's not as bad as they say it is but that doesn't mean we should just dismiss it altogether and go along with our days like nothings happening. The death rate is climbing rapidly, and it's not just oldies who are taking a bite. Nobody is "begging" or "crawling" right now. We just don't want to get
>self-proclaimed "Fascist"
>talks about defending freedom and personal rights
Give up the act, mate. You're not fooling anyone.
How are they unjustified? There is a virus spreading that is very dangerous which has no vaccine or cure. It is wiping out the weak and old, and many people who are told to do voluntary quarantine refuse, and so mandatory quarantine must be instated because nefarious and irresponsible idiots refuse to obey the recommended preventative measures. Also, of course they’re all in the same family, but you keep forgetting this thing is much more dangerous and does not have a vaccine, while the others are less dangerous and have working vaccination programs. Again, your quoted statistics are your own undoing. You said 1 in 1000 die from seasonal flu which is .1%, meanwhile 12,000 out of 300,000 have died from the new Coronavirus, which is 4%. Also, you are complaining about the trampling of “rights and freedoms” in a fascist region? Strange. One more thing; If there was no extraordinary medical danger then why are nations all over the world shutting down after thousands of their citizens die from an incurable virus?
Ye cut the "us" sh*t kiddo, he's a part of the region as much as everyone else. I don't think you're a proper Fascist either, you can't hold a candle to me, so cut the personal jabs. Anyone who shows concern against over-bearing government when living in the wrong world order is right. Fascism isn't totalitarian, and a certain degree of freedom is part of the package of letting people stand out among the rabble. I wasn't saying the virus was a conspiracy, I do stand by that the entire apparatus around it, media panic and news dramatization included, are a damn good response and effectiveness test for a global scale (future) (dis)info campaign + citizen suppression. his is going to teach a lot of states and a lot of agencies a lot of valuable lessons that will, sooner or later, will be used directly against us, Fascists, or disgruntled citizens.
Same answer.
None of the people writing or enforcing rules are morally or ideologically aligned with you. The agents that enforce nefarious laws upon you are not your brothers, many will pick a paycheck over their countrymen when the day comes, you don't need to suck up to every form of authority to virtue signal your Fascism and respect for good hierarchy.
Each of us in different countries are under different sets of conditions, different risk levels, different public and private infrastructure that comes into play with the epidemic. Idgaf about these policies, they're not too bad, when they decide to give police the power to harm me to keep me indoors is when we're going to start having a serious problem, because I'm 100% down to f*cking off into the woods a few weeks rather than deal with this boomer panic bullsht every day. If everything goes well I'll be bunkering up for a couple of weeks with the fiancée starting sometime this week, bc f*ck these noise, and f*ck these dirty b@stards that need to be told they might DIE so they wash their f*cking hands. Urbanite lab rats, the whole lot.
Post by Heillblod suppressed by a moderator.
Keep in mind that outside of NS it isn’t entirely appropriate to label me as a fascist since I support employing a form of limited and purified voting system. Nothing like the nonsense “democracy” we have here in America, but something that attempts to erase the nonsense in said democracy to make it tolerable. Anyways, I don’t have much issue with what you said here, except for one little thing. You mention how it is BAD for the nation to force people to stay indoors, but I don’t see how it is bad in any sense besides “muh freedoms”. There is quite literally an invisible enemy roaming our streets, and morons who refuse to follow preventative measures and social distancing are the reason the state has to put quarantines in place in the first place. The nation isn’t just closing everybody up in their houses for no reason just to hurt them, spare for China probably. They’re into that sort of debauchery. I am not sucking up to authority, I am not a sheep. I am simply aware that this virus is going to continue to get worse if people refuse to adhere to the social distancing and quarantine orders, and that these orders can’t do anything but help the people as the gains outweigh the losses.
On what you said to Rhodesia, democratic nations such as America would be hard pressed to try to use their newfound “lessons” against the people. I should go to my local gun store and show you all the wacky tacky super duper scary “assault weapons” and sniper rifles there. The American populace is literally outnumbered by domestic firearms in circulation, and not to mention a decent portion of the military stands WITH civilian libertarians and gun owners, meaning if the government attempted to instate tyranny here then it would likely go very badly. I myself own 10 firearms, and each one has a purpose and value. If the government dared to attempt tyranny after learning these lessons you speak of then almost every competent gun owner who opposes tyranny would be in arms and would be prepared to resist. Opponents of this say “Oh, the government would just use drones and tanks to destroy you”, but they can’t use those here in the wooded hills of Appalachia, can they? It’ll be Vietnam all over again and they will lose. HOWEVER, other nations may actually have an issue with this question you have posed, and it is definitely something to keep in mind.
Thank you!
I'd like to go with you. Kill some animals, eat some fruits... 😂
I'm not afraid anymore, just worried. And I respect the law that they gave. But again: I'd like to go with you lol
P0rtvgal, Atsuria, and Greater-appalachia
Then we advance to the economic problem. The global stocks are crashing: Dow Jones has fell to 20,000.00- lower than when Trump took office in 2017. The Corporatist model with elements of Keynesian economics would have been the fundamental solution. Of course this traces to the innate weakness of the free market; decades of individualism and consumerism have created a watershed in the economic stability of the State by underlining it with globalist elements which leaves the State economically vulnerable. In the UK, the Chancellor of the Exchequer has announced a £330 BN bailout package to aid the solution, effectively making years of austerity completely redundant.
The modern parliament is the problem here, as set out in Mosley's vision of a parliament would be the solution, it should consist of representatives from a range of occupational backgrounds oversaw by a central economic authority cooperating with the Guilds in both the countryside and the cities: adjusting wages, output and employment; effectively cutting off the economy from the destructive forces of the free market. Not only that but it would also remove the necessity of political parties: the vast majority of which (conservatives, liberals, socialists, anarchists etc) merely exist on a material plane upheld by individualism and lack the metaphysical alignments to our biological moral conception of the State which we exercise through duty.
The degradation of culture has played it's cards here as well. In our society, years of decadence tailored to the individual have stressed the inviolability of the individual. Through modern art and music,as I have previously mentioned, has integrated the Cult of the Flesh and Individual into society; enticing people to purchase products they deem beneficial only to themselves, creating a want culture which plays right into the hands of consumerism. This has removed the collective strength of the State as reflected through this current pandemic: people panic-buying goods for their own pleasure and survival even when supply chains are intact, with no care for their fellow citizens around them who many be in need of aid; whose duty it is for the individual with the required means to provide for them under the clause of the continued prosperity of the State.
(I'm finally using my computer to play NS for once so my grammar and spelling should be better)
Post by Heillblod suppressed by a moderator.
There is a difference between the freedom to be degenerate and the freedom to leave your house. I really find it interesting how suddenly "fascist" hail the WHO and their communist politicians, get willingly imprisoned in their own homes and even defend those measurements. One more thing; If there was no extraordinary danger then why are nations all over the world imprisoning holocaust deniers and "right wing" activists? Because as we all know, if all politicians across the world share the same opinion about something it must be right and obviously looking back in the past, their common opinions have always been the best for all of us.
"You're not a real Fascist unless you go out, get sick, and spread it to everyone you know!"
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yep thats exactly what i said and that is an actual quote from the Doctrine of Fascism
Atsuria, Krich aerd, and Heillblod
Post by Heillblod suppressed by a moderator.
The issue is most of the population isn't comprised of "well cared for children", and the complications regarding vaccinated diseases arent really the main focus, it's often not about the harm the disease causes on the individual, but rather his spreading action as a carrier, that endangers the risk groups of the population.
Except this is literally a lie. Literally a complete lie. Someone who has never been vaccinated is most certainly not "practically out of the question for complications from diseases" - that is total rubbish. Smallpox, polio, measles, etc. have killed millions if not billions throughout human history. Without vaccinations against them they'd be killed even more today. Smallpox has been eradicated entirely thanks to vaccines.
Please cut this knuckle-dragging, stone-age neanderthal way of thinking. We don't need to expose people to dangerous or incapacitating diseases anymore in order for people to develop immunities. Vaccinations have rendered that method obsolete. We don't have to sit by and watch millions die needlessly. We can eliminate the biological threat immediately before it becomes a threat; a medicinal preemptive strike, all with reduced risk to the general population to the benefit of the entire nation.
Honestly I'm as much of an environmentalist as any of us but I don't understand your insistence on making the 'Appeal to Nature' fallacy. It's tiring, factually incorrect, and in the case of your view on vaccines incredibly dangerous.
It is pure myth that environmental protection and industrial strength are inherently incompatible. It's just propaganda pushed by corporate goons and tree-hugging hippies to justify their immoral and idiotic ideals.
Post by Heillblod suppressed by a moderator.
Perhaps you have a valid point on the first thing, but there is a lethal virus spreading about, so I think you staying indoors for a few weeks isn’t going to kill you. However, you know why holocaust deniers are thrown in jail? They deny factual events and support racial violence. Right wing activists as in neo-nazis and racial terrorists of any alignment are no different. They deserve to be terminated. It isn’t just politicians saying that this virus is bad and that we need quarantines, but legitimate health officials and the brightest minds at our disposal. This isn’t some big conspiracy. Also, how on earth is the WHO communist?
So, the WHO and CDC reports are not valid? Thousands of dead people is not valid? The amount of deaths this virus is causing will overtake normal seasonal flu deaths very soon.
Of course new viruses are bound to appear, but that fact alone does not mitigate the danger of this virus nor does it constitute the dismissal of said virus.
I’m pretty sure the rate at which this virus spreads combined with how debilitating it is on the host is reason enough for these measures even without those mortality statistics.
Those little sprinkles you tried to add to your nonsense cake there at the end are irrelevant, except the first one. If you’re a competent consumer of news media you would easily see past the clickbait fake news nonsense and fear monger if you mentioned in the second and third items. The WHO may be largely dependent on that foundation but they have to acquire funding somehow, don’t they? I don’t see how this even matters anyways unless you are about to begin a “muh transparency and anti-corruption” argument.
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