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Refuge Isle wrote:

It looks like you ceased to exist in Communist International League, a region that I'm afraid was vanquished in 2013. Condolences for that, but hey Refugia is neato and we've got that ^-^

oh wow

yes, looking forward to being in a more serene region....

Welcome, Ciumbuleuit-bandung, Pacrosia, New aquidneck, and Hedgie hogg, to Refugia! I hope you all enjoy your stays. If it applies to you, please pay attention to the rest of this message.

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Once again, I really hope you enjoy your time here, and look forward to seeing more of you soon.

Kariforunia wrote:

うーん、はい、社会主義についての良いニュースをお願いします.

Does anyone have any recent good news about the globe left? Or the globe socialism in general? Just really any good news about socialism.

I'd greatly appreciate it if anyone gave some good news about the globe socialism movement. Whether it be within the America's or with Rojava, any good news will suffice.

I know this really isn't a standard question but technically a question.

I found this a good place for resources on the latter:https://twitter.com/RojavaIC

私には社会民主主義の友人がいます.

How can I convince someone who is a social democracy to a socialist? Are there any major cons to a social democracy that could help convince them to turn to socialism?

Or should I not try to convince them since a social democracy is better then unregulated capital.

I'm trying to not have this come out as if I'm enforcing my views on one another.

Kariforunia wrote:

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It depends on what your goal is, I suppose. I'm a proponent of 'never let perfect be the enemy of good', and I'd rather have the world's baseline shift to socdem so that we can continue pushing further left. If there are socdem people out there, and that's where they're comfortable right now, as far as I'm concerned they aren't our opponents on some sort of ideological stage.

You can keep talking with them about things and even occasionally challenge them on why they believe the way they do, but I personally wouldn't push them hard into a place where they're uncomfortable. That's a surefire way of creating someone who rebounds to the right because they find leftism to be too exclusive.

Ciumbuleuit-bandung wrote:

At work meetings I occasionally suggest seizing the means of production. Most of my department colleagues are demsocs, and they don't think this is a bad idea given the malevolent incompetence of upper management.

The people I work with are well aware of the "incompetence of upper management". They generally take that as reason to avoid greater bureaucratic control of production or anything for that matter. Capitalism would, in the ideal case, democratize power to consumers.  Though we know how regularly that doesn't work, so much that some might reasonably claim any form is malevolent. Uhg, where am I going with this.. we need better government for sure.

Good Morning, Refugia!
Apologies for not continuing to do the question of the day, I've been a bit busy.
I'll resume asking questions of the day tomorrow :>

Bapaving wrote:

Seizing the means of production doesn't mean that there will be no managers, though. Seizing them is a matter of property, not of administration: managerial positions who are not owners are still laborers (even if they make up the 'labor aristocracy'), and they will have to have a voice in any form of self-managed business, though of course their incompetence can be more easily controlled by the rest of the workers. But, just to be clear, the bad management of a business isn't the issue at stake when, for example, Marx suggested seizing the means of production (since there can be privately-owned, very efficient businesses), but the fact that the laborers are being exploited by the owners of the business, who simply appropriate the surplus value without working themselves. That is the general issue with capitalism (at least pure, unregulated capitalism) and with work in general, I think.

Workers unions would be a counter to exploitation to a certain point.

Cool event. I appreciate the randomness but I feel the winner will be decided not on actual popularity and who is the best, but rather who manages to show up the most and has the most shiny badges.

Oh heck I didn't even notice the "Best Nation" feature at the top of the region page

Gooood mornin eco-dorks!

Happy April 2nd!

I've just realized the classification of my nation in Nationstates mobile keeps switching from "Normal" to "Gay Marriage State" (I've been using the liberal theme) and just "Normal" in Nationstates Web. I am so confused rn.

Medecion wrote:

Question: Is there any way to change the time scale when looking at the graph of a nation's demographics? I want to see how some of my stats have changed more recently, but since my nation has been around for so long its hard to tell looking at the graph.

I believe you can do that with Stately android app. It's a bit tricky zooming with your fingers, but it's doable