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Kariforunia wrote:

自動化とロボット.

Would automation like robots be considered in a socialist environment? Their benefits can't be ignored but their drawbacks affect the people directly with loss of job.

Would they be regulated? I'm interested in hearing anyone else's opinion on robot automation.

I know this is a weird question.

It's not really a weird question, but rather a very interesting one.
Automation is gonna happen weather we like it or not, the real question is who is it gonna be in favor of. A socialist automated world could lead to people spending less time in jobs they don't like and more time in self-development and community development. Think about it, how much faster would science advance if researchers spent less time worrying about jobs they do only to earn money and more time researching their actual areas of interest? Same goes to art, architecture, etc... But that's only if the products of automated labor go to the people, and not to capitalists.

If automation happens under capitalism (which is what has been going on now), people will lose their jobs and livelyhoods, world poverty will go up dramatically, we're all screwed. One of the consequences of automation in these circumstances is that people without jobs don't have money, and people without money can't buy the products produced by automation. So at some point, the short term profit from automation would lead to long term losses because... Well... Capitalists depend on other people with jobs spending money on their products.

The issue of automation is something socialists should discuss more, because it's gonna be a very big issue really soon... As Sylh Alanor said, a UBI would be a possible solution for this problem. EDIT: Pantala and pyrrhia also mentioned UBIs

Lower French Gregballs wrote:

In one of my other nations, we embraced robots. This led to riots (The Artificially-Intelligent robots and computers demanded full citizen rights) and to the collapse of our socialistic regime, eventually making us more liberal.

Shoulda let the robots vote...

WE'RE MANUFACTURING THE VOTERS!

Chacapoya wrote:

Shoulda let the robots vote...

An ideal situation would be let the robots vote after they've been checked for viruses and hacking things.

アメリカの社会民主党の政治家.

Bernie Sanders and AOC(I believe that's what people refer to her as.) are known in the US and serve as a face of socialism in the US. I use that sentence with shakiness as those two aren't really socialist, are they? They seem a bit more social democracy then fully socialist. I may be entirely wrong however.

Personally, I think they are a slow start for the US to socialism.

What does anyone else think of the two?

(I'm aware of the organization they belong to, Democratic Socialists of America and their goals.)

Hey everyone! I've finished March's Eco-Report, only about 17 days later than I wanted to write it! Check it out here and let me know if you like it or want to see anything different in the future ^-^

Refugia Eco-Report, March 2021

by The Socialist Solarpunk Society of Sylh Alanor

The Admin Tower

Culture Home

Last Eco-Report

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Photo Credit: Refuge Isle

Overview

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An'eth'ara, na lethall’en!

Eco-Friendliness

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Well here we are! Sorry about taking so long in making a new Eco-Report, the last one was way back on January 5th, while I’ve been holding this office for over a month now. As stated in Refuge Isle’s previous report, we’re still in the process of rebuilding our staff of surveyists and carbon enthusiasts, and that’s taken a lot of time and distinct effort, but things are progressing well enough. We’re starting to get full reports back on a regular basis, which means those reports should be passed along to you in good time.

To those first-time readers, the Refugia Eco-Report is a requirement put on the Councillor of Culture by RRS 6(c)(i) to be released periodically. It contains information on the regional progress toward our stated environmental goals, while also possibly presenting advice and environmental news to those people who are interested. Given that we're advertised as a region made up heavily of eco-socialist hippy types, I imagine that's all of us. So, without further ado, let's dive right in.

First up, we have Eco-Friendliness (click the graph to the right for a larger image). As you can see, Refugi have made incredible progress in the area of Eco-Friendliness since the beginning of the year, and it seems highly likely we’ll be passing our year goal of 3200 average Eco-Friendliness in extremely short time. To summarise the data provided in the image, on January 1, 2021, Refugia’s average Eco-Friendliness score was 2,213.71, approximately 987 points away from our goal. After only the first quarter of the year, we have reached an average score of 2,902.98, just under 297 points away from the goal. It is important to keep in mind that this has grown and developed alongside a rapid boost in regional population. As that growth has not overly affected our progress, expect this goal to be shattered before the end of summer!

Environmental Beauty

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Next, we will address Environmental Beauty (again, click the image to the right for a larger graph), for which our regional goal was 1100. Much like what we saw with the Eco-Friendliness score, Environmental Beauty has been progressing rapidly throughout the beginning of 2021. Aside from a few small dips (aligning with large recruitment spikes), our region has been experiencing constant growth. At the beginning of the year, we had an average regional Environmental Beauty score of 848.83, approximately 252 points away from our goal. And as of writing this report, we are sitting at an average of 971.01, just under 129 points from our goal. This means that in three months, Refugia’s average Environmental Beauty score has risen 122 points, almost halving the distance in just a quarter of the time allotted. With steady progress like we’ve been experiencing, expect this goal to also be met by the end of summer.

There are, as you might imagine, many people in the community who can be thanked for the extreme growth in both of these stats. But for the moment, I want to point out two in particular who have shown incredible growth over short periods of time.

First off, Nerdy tangent, a Refugi who joined our community last autumn, has shown a 10-day period of fantastic growth in his Eco-Friendliness score. Between March 8, 2021 and March 18, his Eco-Friendliness score skyrocketed from 1,132.8 to 1,790.43, a growth of 657 points! Putting his tireless involvement in our community activities and extremely sunny and positive presence, his contribution to our regional goals couldn’t be overlooked.

Another Refugi worthy of pointing out is Lower French Gregballs who moved into the region last autumn. On top of being an active and involved member of the gameside community, Gregballs boasts the 15th-highest Eco-Friendliness score in the region. One issue in particular in February boosted their Eco-Friendliness score by 1300 points!. This goes to show the benefits of regularly and constantly answering issues.

Environmental News

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I fear I don’t have any long and winding monologues for you all to read this month. I’m still getting some of those together, but they will be in supply soon enough. Instead, I will leave you with some recent environmentally-based articles.

First, an article on the Canadian carbon tax being ruled constitutional by our Supreme Court. In 2018, the Liberal (then) majority in Parliament enacted a carbon tax to charge our top polluters. There was no end to political pushback (by the Conservative Party) and various big businesses. Even an entire province which will remain unnamed. It could be better, but at least we can be content that this step won’t be taken away.

This article on the impact of different modes of transportation on the environment comes out of the EU. It addresses the Transport and Environment Report from 2020, and makes a compelling case for taking public transportation over your own single-user vehicle whenever possible. While that might not be the most groundbreaking, the information they report on comparing train and air travel is interesting.

Finally, an article about an Icelandic climate activist speaking on his book. The postscript of the book, added for the latest round of translations, ends- alongside my last Eco-Report- in May of 2020, looking hopefully at the climate upsides to Covid-related lockdowns. He reflects on those findings for the interview.

As always, if you have interesting environmental stories, news, tips you’d like to see an article centred around, or any questions, feel free to message me at any time! Thanks so much for reading.

Sule tael tasalal, dar'eth shiral,
Sylh Alanor

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これは簡単には答えられない質問です.

A online friend of mine has recently been demoralized about globe socialism. They have been asking if socialism really can win or if socialism will ever happen in a large scale movement again due to anti socialist movements.

This question is not a easy question but more of an opinion one.

Is socialism inevitable?
質問に返信する価値がないと思われる場合は、これに返信する必要はありません.

I hate to be that guy, but whether socialism is inevitable depends necessarily on your conception of socialism. The European welfare states would be seen by rabid libertarians as socialist, while more or less any Marxist (except perhaps some market socialists) would consider them liberal capitalist states. Apologists of the Chinese government would claim that it is socialist, making socialism not only inevitable but already present, and so on.

We already live in a world of limited resources, though technological advancement makes previously unusable materials into new resources (in the sense that they are now integrated into the mode of production; that they are now exploited and given value). In my opinion, the question is what world governments are weak enough to be pressured into distributing wealth at any given time to a larger share of the population, since governments that are weak enough to be overrun by a revolution (and at the same time remote enough to produce a new system without foreign interference) are nowhere to be found nowadays, I think.

Refuge Isle wrote:

Greetings Refugia,

I would like to call for a second for this regional referendum. Its purpose is to explicitly allow the Ops councillor to conduct bans in the event that unwanted folks appear in our general vicinity. It also establishes a procedure for electing a World Assembly delegate in the event that ours is disassociated from known reality.
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A proposal needs to be seconded by a member state before it goes to vote. If you wish to do so, send me a message or reply in this RMB.

Thank

I’m seconding this!

Welcome, Indo scythia, Peralta nation, The outlawed mountains, Nivla, Daerrow, Podria in Refugia, Bored2, Shipping Fan, Cramstrelle, and Socralato, to Refugia! I hope you all enjoy your stays. If it applies to you, please pay attention to the rest of this message.

Refugia aims to be a friendly, laid-back community, which is open to players of all skill levels. Nations who wish to become more active in the region, however, should consider joining the World Assembly (WA). WA nations are able to vote on international law, and receive exclusive benefits within the region, such as the ability to vote in regional polls and elections, get a spot on Refugia's map, and even run for office when elections come up! If you're interested in joining the WA, check out this article, and make sure to endorse our delegate.

If you'd rather just chill with us, that's perfectly fine as well. We have an active Discord server, an offsite forum, and frequent discussions on the regional message board (RMB), which everyone is welcome to participate in!

If you have any additional questions about the region or how NationStates works, feel free to leave them here, on the RMB. If you're interested in joining the Discord or offsite forum, look for the links at the top of Refugia's World Factbook Entry (the big text box at the top of our regional page).

Once again, I really hope you enjoy your time here, and look forward to seeing more of you soon.

Ciumbuleuit-bandung wrote:

Hi everyone, I am not new to NationStates, but I haven't logged on for more than 7 years! Do give me some time to find my feet here.

Welcome back :D Do you remember what region you lived in last time?

Refuge Isle wrote:

Welcome back :D Do you remember what region you lived in last time?

can't recollect. i was never very active in forums iirc. my old state was Kinta Valley. ring a bell for anyone?