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Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles The Mayo Clinic It was once thought that soy foods increase the risk of breast cancer. However, eating a moderate amount of soy foods does not increase risk of breast cancer — or other types of cancer. A moderate amount is one to two servings a day of whole-soy foods, such as tofu, soy milk and edamame.
So where did the idea come from that soy increases breast cancer risk? Isoflavones, which are found in soy, are plant estrogens. High levels of estrogen have been linked to an increased risk of breast cancer. However, food sources of soy don't contain high enough levels of isoflavones to increase the risk of breast cancer.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/soy-breast-cancer-risk/faq-20120377
American Cancer Society Some of the misunderstandings come from the fact that studies in people and studies in animals may show different results. In some animal studies, rodents that were exposed to high doses of compounds found in soy called isoflavones showed an increased risk of breast cancer. This is thought to be because the isoflavones in soy can act like estrogen in the body, and increased estrogen has been linked to certain types of breast cancer.
But rodents process soy differently from people, and the same results have not been seen in people. Also, doses of isoflavones in the animal studies are much higher than in humans. In fact, in human studies, the estrogen effects of soy seem to either have no effect at all, or to reduce breast cancer risk (especially in Asian countries, where lifelong intake is higher than the US). This may be because the isoflavones can actually block the more potent natural estrogens in the blood.
So far, the evidence does not point to any dangers from eating soy in people, and the health benefits appear to outweigh any potential risk.
https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/soy-and-cancer-risk-our-experts-advice.html
At any rate, you would have to eat absurd amounts of soy before isoflavone exposure even starts to maybe become a concern. Sort of like how you'd have to eat many dozens of apples whole really fast before the amygdalin -> hydrogen cyanide conversion becomes a problem too.
Anyhoo. One of my coworkers who, while not crying over the horrible oppression of the innocent on Parler, likes to do the "soy will make you a cancer ridden gay guy" thing too, so this is one of my triggers. :p
Now, to go brew a nice hot cup of not even remotely enough acrylamide to worry about either. I love me some California, but that nonsense is exceptionally embarrassing.
Oh, this is good. I knew that obviously having soy from time to time wouldn’t be harmful, but I was under the impression that having it as a large part of your regular diet would be bad. I’m glad to know that it’s not.
And considering the lack of replies to my previous post, I assume that those who are running wish to keep it a secret for now, so nvm
Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles The Mayo Clinic It was once thought that soy foods increase the risk of breast cancer. However, eating a moderate amount of soy foods does not increase risk of breast cancer — or other types of cancer. A moderate amount is one to two servings a day of whole-soy foods, such as tofu, soy milk and edamame.
So where did the idea come from that soy increases breast cancer risk? Isoflavones, which are found in soy, are plant estrogens. High levels of estrogen have been linked to an increased risk of breast cancer. However, food sources of soy don't contain high enough levels of isoflavones to increase the risk of breast cancer.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/soy-breast-cancer-risk/faq-20120377
American Cancer Society Some of the misunderstandings come from the fact that studies in people and studies in animals may show different results. In some animal studies, rodents that were exposed to high doses of compounds found in soy called isoflavones showed an increased risk of breast cancer. This is thought to be because the isoflavones in soy can act like estrogen in the body, and increased estrogen has been linked to certain types of breast cancer.
But rodents process soy differently from people, and the same results have not been seen in people. Also, doses of isoflavones in the animal studies are much higher than in humans. In fact, in human studies, the estrogen effects of soy seem to either have no effect at all, or to reduce breast cancer risk (especially in Asian countries, where lifelong intake is higher than the US). This may be because the isoflavones can actually block the more potent natural estrogens in the blood.
So far, the evidence does not point to any dangers from eating soy in people, and the health benefits appear to outweigh any potential risk.
https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/soy-and-cancer-risk-our-experts-advice.html
At any rate, you would have to eat absurd amounts of soy before isoflavone exposure even starts to maybe become a concern. Sort of like how you'd have to eat many dozens of apples whole really fast before the amygdalin -> hydrogen cyanide conversion becomes a problem too.
Anyhoo. One of my coworkers who, while not crying over the horrible oppression of the innocent on Parler, likes to do the "soy will make you a cancer ridden gay guy" thing too, so this is one of my triggers. :p
Now, to go brew a nice hot cup of not even remotely enough acrylamide to worry about either. I love me some California, but that nonsense is exceptionally embarrassing.
What is your evidence-based stance on monosodium glutamate? Is it merely anti-Asian racism to claim that it is harmful?
And if so, can I write an issue on this? o.O
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As far as I'm aware, studies consistently fail to find a link between MSG and purported ill effects of consuming it. And if the info on Wiki is correct, the LD50 (lethal dose, 50% of population) is triple that of plain old table salt in rats.
I also understand that glutamic acid is a natural component of basically all proteins, and is present in a free and tastable form in a wide variety of "natural" foods. So between soy and mozzarella, the lasagna in my fridge is, supposedly , a toxic waste dump.
At any rate, if the works cited on the Wikipedia page are accurate, then reports as to the harmfulness of MSG in Chinese takeout is largely due to a joke in poor taste getting somewhat out of hand.
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Middle Barael I was infected with that a looooong time ago. I like any post that I appreciate, even if I’m in a debate I’ll like the opposing persons post
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So just out of curiosity, I know that Errinundera
Well they seem to have been active lately, if they're losing interest in the game then they should most likely just drop the writ for the elections as their final act as founder. It doesn't seem to be too hard.
Nation of Ecologists Errinundera I’ starting to think they just have an auto login script and that they’ve completely forgotten about it
Nation of Ecologists Errinundera I mean Errinundera did lead Forest to where it is now after Devdan CTE’d, so we shouldn’t be this quick to dismiss them. They’re still important and should still have power, we just perhaps need ways to move forward when they’re inactive.
Middle Barael
yes. by possibly amending the regional constitution? idk im new here and stuff, but it might be what we have to do since they haven't posted on the RMB or been active for a long time in months, and we need to hold elections. It might be the only way. (im not planning on running btw tho)
Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles I also understand that glutamic acid is a natural component of basically all proteins, and is present in a free and tastable form in a wide variety of "natural" foods. So between soy and mozzarella, the lasagna in my fridge is, supposedly , a toxic waste dump.
At any rate, if the works cited on the Wikipedia page are accurate, then reports as to the harmfulness of MSG in Chinese takeout is largely due to a joke in poor taste getting somewhat out of hand.
Good summary here:
Worth noting that KFC uses MSG and MSG-like ingredients in most of its menu, in particular in the fried chicken "secret recipe" coating. And KFC does taste really, really good.
As a Chinese person, I'd note that the common Chinese stereotype of MSG is that its that ingredient that gets added to food a lot in America, thought admittedly to Chinese food there. A proper Chinese chef in China wouldn't dream of using it, is the idea.
From a personal point of view, I don't cook with it, but we've often bought processed foods where it is an ingredient. Subjectively, I find it makes me very thirsty, though no more so than ordinary salt.
If David Chang is correct, then basically anything fermented has relatively large amounts of naturally occurring MSG. Presumably, the more proteinaceous the stuff being fermented, the more MSG. I wonder how many MSG sensitive people have a big bottle of soy sauce in their fridge, so they can add a splash of liquid MSG to basically anything they want to taste good. I just took a straight spoonful for the first time ever, and yeah, that's a big salty dose of mushroomy meaty cheesy awesomeness.
Candlewhisper Archive Worth noting that KFC uses MSG and MSG-like ingredients in most of its menu, in particular in the fried chicken "secret recipe" coating. And KFC does taste really, really good.
As a Chinese person, I'd note that the common Chinese stereotype of MSG is that its that ingredient that gets added to food a lot in America, thought admittedly to Chinese food there. A proper Chinese chef in China wouldn't dream of using it, is the idea.
From a personal point of view, I don't cook with it, but we've often bought processed foods where it is an ingredient. Subjectively, I find it makes me very thirsty, though no more so than ordinary salt.
Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles There is a Turkish spice mix called "Tuzot" (which is literally the combination of the Turkish words for 'salt' and 'herb'). When used to season foods, it gives them a nice umami taste, and it is rich in MSG.
I had bought a pack and used it in foods when I was in Turkey, and it made a big difference (in the positive direction). Then I remember reading an article supposedly on all the negative effects of MSG and I panicked and discarded the rest.
I regret it now, and it is hard for me to find this mixed seasoning in the US (perhaps even impossible).
I highly recommend that you try it if it is available where you live, though. Unless you are afraid of MSG, haha.
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