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Xukong wrote:

He's from the United Christian Empires of the South, which is a dependancy of the United Christian Empires of the West. He's an Honorary Citizen, but it doesn't make him an actual citizen of this region.

Hmm I don't know how that would work. I would have to ask the court.

If any of you want to become a member of the House for any of the political parties, you can telegram me!

Papal knights wrote:

Right then, got my cuppa, settled in, now shall we engage in some divisive, partisan, rancorous, spiralling into threats of violation of personal safety...debate?

Lets, indeed.

Star Wars, or Star Trek?

Ah, it’s funny you would start with that, I am a huge Star Wars fan, my favorite franchise and I’m quite the lore-nerd about it :). I haven’t seen much Star Trek except for the first season of The Next Generation but I like it. One of my Trekkie friends had me watch it and I had them watch the Star Wars films. I’m not one of those Star Trek haters because of my love of Star Wars but I adamantly think Star Wars is better and am always happy to debate that if the need arises :)
How about yourself?

Everyone, look at what’s being voted on in the WA right now, it would be disastrous if this passed, we must all vote against it and try to encourage as many people as possible to do the same. Otherwise, the murder of babies shall be enshrined in WA law

Dominant Oppressors wrote:

Everyone, look at what’s being voted on in the WA right now, it would be disastrous if this passed, we must all vote against it and try to encourage as many people as possible to do the same. Otherwise, the murder of babies shall be enshrined in WA law

The abortion worshippers are at it again. Pretty blurry line between abortion supporters, and pedophiles. Demonic ideologues.

Oh and, Papal knights, I forgot to mention how our officer / promotion system works, basically activity and loyalty transfers into official positions in the region which are bestowed by the Triumvirate (our leadership; myself, the Imperator, Xukong, the WA delegate and New jewlan, the Imperial Grand Councillor), so if you keep up like this, expect to climb the ranks in no time at all :)

Papal knights wrote:

As in real real history?

Indeed

Papal knights wrote:

This one. I'm a big fan of flush toilets, electricity, and modern medicine.

However, if stuffed into a time machine with a gun to my head, I think American west, 1866, a man with a bible and a .45 would have much opportunity for advancement.

2nd choice would be during the first crusade. The idea of martyrdom while covered in the blood of the mohamadeans tickles me fancy.

Your first answer especially is indeed a good one :)
Overall pretty good points, I think I would probably like post-Constantine Rome assuming I was a patrician not a plebeian but if I had no say in the matter, then perhaps Prussia in the early 1800s, but leaving before the Wilhelm II takes the throne as I dont fancy living through the 1st World War, a lot of stuff was happening and things were mostly ok for your average Joe, comparatively speaking.

RTL is in a kurfuffle over a region with long standing embassy relations (LCN).
Concerning support for this latest abortion worshippers bill in the WA.

Question concerning having embassies with regions who strongly support abortion.

Dominant Oppressors wrote:

So, hold on, let me see if I’m understanding, Right to Life was campaigning against the WA murder proposal but The League of Conservative Nations is campaigning as pro-abortion? Have I got that correct? Sorry for my confusion, just want to make sure I’ve got the facts straight before acting

Yes, and yes.

Now there are some options for any Pro-life region.

A) Establish embassies regardless of a regions support for abortion.
Pluses are that (if allowed) other regions can engage in debate on other regions RMB.
This allows an opportunity to bring the pro-life argument to the fore. Although we see scant evidence of this happening very often.

B) Do not establish embassies with, and close current ones with pro abortion regions as a stand for life.
For regions that are embassy collectors this may be problematic. This will cause a cavalcade of "why you close our embassy".
It would however allow for debate of the pro-life message...at least briefly.
It would remove region from fellowship with regions who are so clearly opposed to regions basic belief in human rights.

C) Stick head up backside, ignore issue entirely.

Papal knights wrote:

Yes, and yes.

Now there are some options for any Pro-life region.

A) Establish embassies regardless of a regions support for abortion.
Pluses are that (if allowed) other regions can engage in debate on other regions RMB.
This allows an opportunity to bring the pro-life argument to the fore. Although we see scant evidence of this happening very often.

B) Do not establish embassies with, and close current ones with pro abortion regions as a stand for life.
For regions that are embassy collectors this may be problematic. This will cause a cavalcade of "why you close our embassy".
It would however allow for debate of the pro-life message...at least briefly.
It would remove region from fellowship with regions who are so clearly opposed to regions basic belief in human rights.

C) Stick head up backside, ignore issue entirely.

Indeed, that is a very good summary of events, thank you very much.
My opinion on the situation is the following: If we close the embassy then we aren’t actually going to have any impact on anything but if we leave it open there is at least a chance, however small, that a proper discussion about the topic could arise and perhaps we could change some hearts and minds. So I don’t think we should close the embassy in this case.
Going forward, I think it depends on whether the people of the region are nice / reasonable and the folks of LCN seem to be from past experiences. Of course, if anti-life is a region’s main things we will not open embassies, however for cases like this I think leaving it open is the best choice.

All of that being said, I would love to hear everyone else’s thoughts on the matter and we will take it from there. The responses of Triumvirs Xukong and New jewlan are especially appreciated.
Thank you again to Papal knights for bringing this to our attention and laying out our options so well

Dominant Oppressors wrote:

My opinion on the situation is the following: If we close the embassy then we aren’t actually going to have any impact on anything but if we leave it open there is at least a chance, however small, that a proper discussion about the topic could arise and perhaps we could change some hearts and minds. So I don’t think we should close the embassy in this case.
Going forward, I think it depends on whether the people of the region are nice / reasonable and the folks of LCN seem to be from past experiences. Of course, if anti-life is a region’s main things we will not open embassies, however for cases like this I think leaving it open is the best choice.

Well that's it then isn't it? Closing an embassy may at first glance be the right stand, but like you say, will it change anyones heart?

Closing the door eliminates any chance of any future discussion of the subject.
In RL we don't (at least we shouldn't) close the door ever on those people in our lives, family, and friends who do not share our beliefs.

How would we ever spread the gospel if we never talked to those who do not believe as we?

In all probability the fellows in LCN with their flippant attitude towards abortion are just school boys. With limited life experience without any appreciation for the absolute horror that abortion is. Ignorance it seems has its bliss.