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Che triumphant wrote:We were doing neither of those things, we were attacking an action that even you seem to agree was a mistake, something that separates the left, or at least something that should separate the left, is the ability to look at things critically, including themselves and to be open to criticism. If you North Korea doing something that would be harmful to the NSLeft or harmful in some other way I would be much more offended if you didn't call us out then if you did

Except it doesn't separate the left really and you're all acting rather childish. To pretend that statements like

"We have always been a small region of dedicated revolutionaries making big waves. I hope we never change. Maybe one day The Leftist Assembly will have a discussion about quality over quantity - and what makes their regional relationships valuable"

"I feel conflicted about TLA. I've gotten the impression that at least a few people there are uncomfortable with us specifically and I have little interest in the elections and laws that seem to take up a lot of time there. The legalistic justification given for breaking embassies with us (and FAC) reflects some real differences in perspective between our two regions"

Are somehow solely about the law itself and not questioning our integrity is patently ridiculous. Even if there's no ill will intended it's still clear that some think of us as an other.

Cedoria wrote:Look, I appreciate you are frustrated by that, but the issue has now been resolved and I think it's time to move beyond it. There WERE people who were saying things on your RMB about us, but frankly it's not worth fighting over now and as far as I'm concerned the issue with the Embassies is resolved at present. Any discussions over NSLeft needs to take place over a longer time, given the myriad issues involved.

We do, obviously, hope that your region and ours maintain friendly ties, but someof the things that are occasionally said to us by those who claim to be comrades in NSLeft more broadly leave some people here wondering how much of the rhetoric about solidarity and comradeship is true and how much is a smokescreen. Surely you can understand that, as we understand your own frustration? (although I acquit you yourself of behaving in an aggressive manner towards us, especially on our own RMB).

My apologies I saw this post after my last one. I'll halt this discussion for now then.

Atealia wrote:My apologies I saw this post after my last one. I'll halt this discussion for now then.

No, it's alright. I just think it's best to let it cool off a bit. Wasn't addressed to you but if this discussion needs to be carried over we can do it at a later date:)

Atealia, Halfblakistan, and Che triumphant

Cedoria wrote:Look, I appreciate you are frustrated by that, but the issue has now been resolved and I think it's time to move beyond it. There WERE people who were saying things on your RMB about us, but frankly it's not worth fighting over now and as far as I'm concerned the issue with the Embassies is resolved at present. Any discussions over NSLeft needs to take place over a longer time, given the myriad issues involved.

We do, obviously, hope that your region and ours maintain friendly ties, but someof the things that are occasionally said to us by those who claim to be comrades in NSLeft more broadly leave some people here wondering how much of the rhetoric about solidarity and comradeship is true and how much is a smokescreen. Surely you can understand that, as we understand your own frustration? (although I acquit you yourself of behaving in an aggressive manner towards us, especially on our own RMB).

Really though, the matter with the Embassies is done for now and if any region wants to pursue further discussion, probably best to keep it at a government to government level, either myself or Prime Minister Kavagrad or Foreign Minister Halfblakistan.

We certainly understand that, and you can imagine that a region called something as controversial as North Korea gets a fair bit of attacks by the community, usually having something to do with us being "tankies"

I wasn't attacking your region I was attacking one of the policies, and the kind of legalistic justification behind it, but I agree that the issue is over and that we should try and have more solidarity and friendliness to each other

Halfblakistan

Atealia wrote:Except it doesn't separate the left really and you're all acting rather childish. To pretend that statements like

"We have always been a small region of dedicated revolutionaries making big waves. I hope we never change. Maybe one day The Leftist Assembly will have a discussion about quality over quantity - and what makes their regional relationships valuable"

"I feel conflicted about TLA. I've gotten the impression that at least a few people there are uncomfortable with us specifically and I have little interest in the elections and laws that seem to take up a lot of time there. The legalistic justification given for breaking embassies with us (and FAC) reflects some real differences in perspective between our two regions"

Are somehow solely about the law itself and not questioning our integrity is patently ridiculous. Even if there's no ill will intended it's still clear that some think of us as an other.

Those are all attacking this one policy, not the entire region, okay that second one maybe, although again that seems to be attacking specific people who seem to have a problem with North Korea, and you yourself even said you have some problems with bureaucracy

Che triumphant wrote:We certainly understand that, and you can imagine that a region called something as controversial as North Korea gets a fair bit of attacks by the community, usually having something to do with us being "tankies"

I wasn't attacking your region I was attacking one of the policies, and the kind of legalistic justification behind it, but I agree that the issue is over and that we should try and have more solidarity and friendliness to each other

We understand that, I hope I've clarified that our region is not one which has such issues with yours:)

Che triumphant

Cedoria wrote:We understand that, I hope I've clarified that our region is not one which has such issues with yours:)

You have, and I don't have one with yours

Che triumphant wrote:You have, and I don't have one with yours

Good to know:) All the best:)

Halfblakistan and Che triumphant

Post self-deleted by Cedoria.

Post self-deleted by Cedoria.

Crosses fingers and hopes he did it right because he knows he hates Google drive...

And nope, he messed it up. HERE is the Justice confirmation vote form linked.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeJbc7_HpT7rvRqkO7FqDizRhYCT_6CxS7uTM1ULYgkpWqb5w/viewform

Atealia wrote:Except it doesn't separate the left really and you're all acting rather childish. To pretend that statements like

"We have always been a small region of dedicated revolutionaries making big waves. I hope we never change. Maybe one day The Leftist Assembly will have a discussion about quality over quantity - and what makes their regional relationships valuable"

"I feel conflicted about TLA. I've gotten the impression that at least a few people there are uncomfortable with us specifically and I have little interest in the elections and laws that seem to take up a lot of time there. The legalistic justification given for breaking embassies with us (and FAC) reflects some real differences in perspective between our two regions"

Are somehow solely about the law itself and not questioning our integrity is patently ridiculous. Even if there's no ill will intended it's still clear that some think of us as an other.

My post was not questioning the integrity of TLA at all, no insult was intended. I did complement two comrades from here as well in the part you cut off...

We in NK view the region as a space for discussion and aren't concerned much with regional governments or minutiae involved with them at this point (are we or the FAC still in violation of the embassy policy for not really having them?). I see in hindsight that my stated lack of interest in regional laws and such may come off as derogatory; I didn't mean to imply your region's focus on them is incorrect or needs to be changed. It's simply a difference in how our regions approach NS. That's part of the value in both of our regions being part of the NSLeft and us having embassies, that there can be positive and fruitful exchanges between such diverse groups both in political views and in regards to individual preference for regional organization.

We do view embassies more importantly than others here apparently. In this case I view them as a symbol of camaraderie besides being a convenient means of communication between us. I assume that's part of why others struggled to understand why a law was seen as more important than our embassy.

Libertasnia and South Miruva

Sorry for the absolute mess of regional officer appointments! I wrongly believed you could give two separate roles to the same nation, but it just turned out it renamed them, even when the two roles had different authorities. Then, after all of it was fixed, I saw that the spacing on the regional homepage was wrong between Senator and the respective ministerial portfolios, so I had to go through them all again to fix it.

All good now,
New (apparently very amateur) Founder Llorens

Atealia, Halfblakistan, Nottinhaps, South Miruva, and 2 othersHecknamistan, and Kavagrad

Leftist Assembly Founder wrote:Sorry for the absolute mess of regional officer appointments! I wrongly believed you could give two separate roles to the same nation, but it just turned out it renamed them, even when the two roles had different authorities. Then, after all of it was fixed, I saw that the spacing on the regional homepage was wrong between Senator and the respective ministerial portfolios, so I had to go through them all again to fix it.

All good now,
New (apparently very amateur) Founder Llorens

Llo's by far my favourite workaholic.

He's a real-life human bean.

Llorens and Kavagrad

Assemblians, what do you want to see in the 2nd Culture Competitions? Already locked in are the flag, coat-of-arms, and regional animal, but it'd be great to get more. Leave your suggestions here or PM me.

The final horseman, Nottinhaps, South Miruva, Hecknamistan, and 1 otherKavagrad

Llorens wrote:Assemblians, what do you want to see in the 2nd Culture Competitions? Already locked in are the flag, coat-of-arms, and regional animal, but it'd be great to get more. Leave your suggestions here or PM me.

Maybe regional demonym?

Also, if anyone suggests changing the motto or anthem, they're getting a coup. The current ones are perfect.

South Miruva, Hecknamistan, Communistico, and Zerelin

Kavagrad wrote:Maybe regional demonym?

Also, if anyone suggests changing the motto or anthem, they're getting a coup. The current ones are perfect.

I love our motto (and the secondary motto too), but I don't like our anthem.

we need something far more inclusive and grandiose. Like this, for instance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-er_c_pf5W0

Kavagrad wrote:Maybe regional demonym?

Are you accusing that Assemblian is not the objectively correct demonym? :o

Hecknamistan

Llorens wrote:Are you accusing that Assemblian is not the objectively correct demonym? :o

The true demonym will always be "Miruva's Puppet Storage-ite"!

Halfblakistan, Nottinhaps, South Miruva, and Hecknamistan

A regional flower or flora perhaps?

The final horseman, Halfblakistan, South Miruva, Hecknamistan, and 1 otherTalao

Morvan wrote:A regional flower or flora perhaps?

Oh, me likey. Maybe hold a poll featuring some suggestions?

In terms of a new anthem, unfortunately, there aren't any good Soviet renditions of steamed hams but we can always go for this even if it's a bit stale https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dMIjN18uMI

Morvan wrote:A regional flower or flora perhaps?

Regional gemstone as well?

New lonopolian empire

I'm back!I don't know how active I'm going to be, but I'll try to actually be on here again :P

Cedoria, Mexican communists, The final horseman, Halfblakistan, and 3 othersNottinhaps, Llorens, and South Miruva

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